OT: Home Defense

Exactly:

The 500 W&W is gorgeous! I've put 25 rounds though a rental and loved it. (I'm a big-bore guy anyway.) It would be great scoped for deer-sized game, but it's a pretty expensive showpiece. I'm not much for S&W's politics or the way the company has been managed in the last decade, BUT they do make very high-quality pistols, and I respect this.

I suppose that if the crap hits the fan and you actually have to put an intruder down, it doesn't really matter what caliber or type of weapon you use: what matters is that you make good decisions and you are very accurate with shot placement.

Actually it was designed to kill French, British, American, Russian, Polish, etc soldiers. What part of "para bellum" are you having trouble with?

Yeah, right. Sure it will.

I sense someone compensating for the small caliber of his other gun.

Why is this in with the Jeep stuff???? And not the gun stuff????? Thanks Jamie

Because Jeeps and firearms go hand in hand:

Because Jeeps and firearms go hand in hand:

Not by a long shot.

Do a little research, if you're capable.

Google around for Jeep + WWII + FOIA documents.

If Nader had taken on the WWII and Korean War era Jeeps, he'd be a hero instead of the buffoon he became.

You blather about WWII, yet you really know nothing about it at all.

Typical.

yer pal

To add to all the other (good) advise, if you *really* want to shoot big rounds, get the 12 gauge shotgun and load it with 1oz slugs...

...just be sure your shoulder is in good shape ;-)

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Have you seen this?

The DA says to avoid the street he lives on and don't say anything to provoke him. That is of course not an acceptable long term solution. We are looking for something more permanent, more definitive, if you get my drift. Our state has a make my day law. Too bad it doesn't apply to motor vehicles, like in the video.

One time when I was younger some of us were screwing around outside another guy's room. He didn't like it, opened the door, and fired a 22 rifle into the hall way. It hit a woman a couple of rooms away. Jerk. This alerted me to the dangers of any kind of hand gun or rifle solution in a residential unit. Like I said before, it would be a shame to kill the wrong neighbor.

Cheers,

User 40

Uh, make sure you know what the law does allow. Read the statute and if there are any provisions that you are not clear about, talk to a lawyer about them--in fact you should do that anyway as there may be relevant case law that modifies the effect of the statute. If you do shoot him, pray that no lawyer checks your posting history--"make my day" laws are not a defense against premeditated murder, and your statement here could be construed as evidence of premeditation. Don't assume that USENET provides anyonymity either.

The danger is not "any kind of hand gun or rifle solution in a residential unit". The danger is discharging a firearm when you're not sure of your target. Shooting down the hall because you don't like someone "screwing around" should have put the idiot in jail for a good long time.

With regard to a shotgun, before you buy one, you might want to take Massad Ayoob's defensive shotgun course or an equivalent and you may find that want to rethink that. Any long gun is a liability in a confined area--if someone can get inside its barrel length then it's surprisingly easy to take away from you, and in a house in the dark it's not nearly as hard as you might think for that to happen. Further, it's not the death ray that the movies lead you to expect. Take it out to a range and pattern it at the distances typical of the inside of your house and you're going to be surprised how small the pattern is. Don't take my word (or that of anybody else who is blathering online) for it, check it for yourself. As for penetration, a little bit of drywall isn't going to do much to the velocity of a load of buckshot--if you really want the load to not penetrate the walls you're going to have to experiment with this as well, at the actual distances that you are going to be shooting, and with a mock-up of the actual structure. But remember that if it won't penetrate the wall it may not penetrate your assailant either.

The use of deadly force is not an area in which you want to screw around--get the facts, if you don't already have real combat experience get professional training, and know your weapon.

Also check a liability lawyer and your home owners or renters insurance. Some insurance companies might have a cow if you have the audacity to protect your family, and I believe shooting an insurance agent is still frowned on in most areas.

You want to make sure the intruder is not around to sue you for medical treatment or violating their civil rights--but avoid the survivor of a neighbor suing you for bullets that went thru their property.

Nah, I want a wrangler with either a recoilless rifle with a .50 cal spotter or a .50 cal on a swivel mount. Probably against some law in Colorudeo to have it pointed at that freakin minivan on my bumper.

Bingo! Bill is the classic archetype of the man compensating for a small penis. Probably has been since his Army days.

Get a .45 or .40S&W for home defense and use a scatter round like a Glaser or other "safety slug".

.357 and 9mm are too dangerous, they will penetrate the drywall, and may harm your family inadvertently.

The report of a .357 will deafen and disable the shooter not unlike a stun grenade when fired in close quarters of a home.

While the 9mm has very high velocity, is has very little knockdown power.

Shotguns are unweildy in a close quarters situation, the length of a shotgun makes it hard to bring to bear on any percieved threat.

Stay with a small arms weapon, that fits your hand and ability. There is no weapon that is "good for the family" to shoot, it'll be too much for most and too little for some. Practice with it until you know it like a body part, and remember it is always, always, always loaded.

Spdloader

Former police/civilian firearms instructor. Former Military CQB instructor and US Army Sniper.

Now, I just fish.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:39:39 -0700, Cassandra Incognito wrote (in article ):

You might want to consider a 12 ga pump loaded with #4 shot. It will end the days of anyone you hit protecting your home but the shot will not go through walls and hit a family member.

Craig

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