Stupid radiator...

Joseph P did pass the time by typing:

Very hard to fix, it's a gasket held by crimped metal tabs but crimping them harder just makes more leaks. Never heard of anyone actually getting one of those to stay fixed. :/ It might be possible by carefully removing the side then reinstalling the old gasket with a thin skinning of permatex Hylomar HPF (super sticky RTV) on both faces of the gasket. But considering what loosing the radiator can do to an engine I'd suggest you go with a new one.

You could go with a three core solid aluminium one from radiatorbarn.com or similar vendor. Or go to

or for an OEM replacement.

Check Google Groups, there has been a lot of discusson here in the past.

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| Joseph P did pass the time by typing: || Ok, my half plastic half metal radiator has started leaking, || at the top, all around, where the AL and plastic meet. || 1998 TJ with the four-oh H.O. || || 1. Any tricks to fixing it? | | Very hard to fix, it's a gasket held by crimped | metal tabs but crimping them harder just makes more | leaks. Never heard of anyone actually getting one of those | to stay fixed. :/ It might be possible by carefully removing | the side then reinstalling the old gasket with a thin skinning | of permatex Hylomar HPF (super sticky RTV) on both faces of the | gasket. But considering what loosing the radiator can do to an | engine I'd suggest you go with a new one. | || 2. Recommendations on a new one? | | You could go with a three core solid aluminium one from | radiatorbarn.com or similar vendor. Or go to

| or for an OEM replacement. | | Check Google Groups, there has been a lot of discusson here | in the past.

Thanks, I haven't googled this yet, but I don't remember any recent discussion, either. I don't think OEM is an option at this point, seems this design may be just as flawed as the exhaust? (see my next post...)

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| All three Ford radiators that began to leak in that seam | were actually very small cracks. Just buy a Real radiator and | replace them. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O | mailto: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

| | DougW wrote: || || Very hard to fix, it's a gasket held by crimped || metal tabs but crimping them harder just makes more || leaks. Never heard of anyone actually getting one of those || to stay fixed. :/ It might be possible by carefully removing || the side then reinstalling the old gasket with a thin skinning || of permatex Hylomar HPF (super sticky RTV) on both faces of || the gasket. But considering what loosing the radiator can do || to an engine I'd suggest you go with a new one. || || You could go with a three core solid aluminium one from || radiatorbarn.com or similar vendor. Or go to || or for an OEM || replacement. || || Check Google Groups, there has been a lot of discusson here || in the past. || || -- || -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 || HESCO Supercharger -300W || IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear || DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header || - and BEER, in the fridge!

Bill, I know few things are "real," but I am not a "real" master, so if you could give me an actual opinion (that of which I hold in high regard) I would be most grateful. The whole seam, but esp. where the fan shroud is, is wet.

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| Sorry. The "Real" radiator is the replacement sold at any | parts store with metal ends. | God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O | mailto: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

| | Joseph P wrote: || || Bill, I know few things are "real," but I am not a "real" || master, so if you could give me an actual opinion (that of || which I hold in high regard) I would be most grateful. The || whole seam, but esp. where the fan shroud is, is wet. || || -- || -- || Joe Pribe || NC || || Pull my finger to reply by email. || || jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com || jegp 'at' hotmail.com || || I Love My O|||||||O

That's the best you can do?

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| What do you want me to do, lie to you and say you don't a | new radiator? If the cheap plastic radiator leaks, there's no | fix! You're just dreaming if you think you may pinch the tabs | and have ot "O" ring type gasket hold. | God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O | mailto: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

| | Joseph P wrote: || || That's the best you can do? || || -- || -- || Joe Pribe || NC || || Pull my finger to reply by email. || || jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com || jegp 'at' hotmail.com || || I Love My O|||||||O

Easy enough.

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:10:01 GMT, the following appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, posted by "Joseph P" :

Through Radiator.com's online Q&A session, I got the following "radiator expert" responses after selecting "aftermarket":

"Yeah, I thought so, most Tj drivers request the 3 row. It's all metal, three rows, and with a lifetime warranty costs $199. With a one year warranty, it's only $179. There are two different possibilities depending on some options your Tj came with and whether it's an open or closed cooling system. Might be best to speak with our Jeep specialist, George, just to make sure you get the right one. He's here now at 1-800-598-5504 (it's a toll free number)."

...followed by:

"My name is Chuck but any of us can help you out. We're here now and the number is 1-800-598-5504 (it's a toll free number)."

There are undoubtedly others, probably including ones local to you, but these prices seem pretty reasonable.

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| On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:10:01 GMT, the following appeared in | rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, posted by "Joseph P" | : | | Through Radiator.com's online Q&A session, I got the | following "radiator expert" responses after selecting | "aftermarket": | | "Yeah, I thought so, most Tj drivers request the 3 row. It's | all metal, three rows, and with a lifetime warranty costs | $199. With a one year warranty, it's only $179. There are | two different possibilities depending on some options your | Tj came with and whether it's an open or closed cooling | system. Might be best to speak with our Jeep specialist, | George, just to make sure you get the right one. He's here | now at 1-800-598-5504 (it's a toll free number)." | | ...followed by: | | "My name is Chuck but any of us can help you out. We're here | now and the number is 1-800-598-5504 (it's a toll free | number)." | | There are undoubtedly others, probably including ones local | to you, but these prices seem pretty reasonable. | || In news: snipped-for-privacy@cox.net, || L.W. (ßill) Hughes III from was injured || because: || ||| Sorry. The "Real" radiator is the replacement sold at ||| any parts store with metal ends. ||| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O ||| mailto: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

||| ||| Joseph P wrote: |||| |||| Bill, I know few things are "real," but I am not a "real" |||| master, so if you could give me an actual opinion (that of |||| which I hold in high regard) I would be most grateful. The |||| whole seam, but esp. where the fan shroud is, is wet. |||| |||| -- |||| -- |||| Joe Pribe |||| NC |||| |||| Pull my finger to reply by email. |||| |||| jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com |||| jegp 'at' hotmail.com |||| |||| I Love My O|||||||O || || That's the best you can do? || || --

Hey, Bob, in case you didn't know, that is an automated system. I used it already, got the *same* exact replies all

3 times, and identical to yours...what radiator place would offer customer service on a Sunday? Exactly...technology is pretty cool, though, eh?

Replace it, will only get worse.

What genious thought half plastic radiators were even an acceptable idea, much less a good one?

If you do the replacement, get a copper or aluminum one.

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| Yup, and it's coming from half way around the world in | Indian. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O | mailto: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

| | Joseph P wrote: || || Hey, Bob, in case you didn't know, that is an automated || system. I used it already, got the *same* exact replies all || 3 times, and identical to yours...what radiator place would || offer customer service on a Sunday? Exactly...technology is || pretty cool, though, eh? || || -- || -- || Joe Pribe || NC || || Pull my finger to reply by email. || || jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com || jegp 'at' hotmail.com || || I Love My O|||||||O

Definitely wasn't indian...

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| Next time you have an occasion to call a company, you | might quiz them, such as when I call Bank of America to stop a | fraudulent charge on my account, it had tagged me via | classmate.com, and the person I was talking to spoke perfect | english with an American ascent, but didn't know what a | "classmate" was. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O | mailto: snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

| | Joseph P wrote: || || Definitely wasn't indian... || || -- || -- || Joe Pribe || NC || || Pull my finger to reply by email. || || jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com || jegp 'at' hotmail.com || || I Love My O|||||||O

Are you as confused as I? It was via a "chat" line on their website, not a voice conversation...

I took mine out and took it to a radiator shop and for about $25 they recrimped it. It's been holding fine since then (about a year).

-jeff

Yeah.....been there done that.........picked up the radiator approx 2 miles away from my house. Same owner - 2 shops (side by each). Cheaper if you go through the internet & a nice looking babe hands it to you, instead of a rather unclean mechanic if you walk into the other half.

"L0nD0t.$t0we11"

: What genious thought half plastic radiators were even an : acceptable idea, much less a good one? :

Probably the same guy that designed the... a) 4.0 exhaust manifold. b) Cherokee door hinges c) Wrangler mirror mounts d) all of the above

-Brian

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:52:53 GMT, the following appeared in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys, posted by "Joseph P" :

Yeah, I knew it, but I cut-n-pasted it so you'd have the phone numbers.