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crufty

its not a bizzarre or especially interesting word in terms of its appearance but its an underused adjective IMO and i like it!

"Lee_D" wrote I think one of my

Persiflage is quite a good one to drop into a conversation, especially if that conversation is of a persiflaginous nature anyway.

:-)

- Tom.

On or around Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:00:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman" enlightened us thusly:

you're right, I did mean the latter.

I meant in meaning. "hir" is "long", and hiraeth is probably something along the lines of "longness" as a direct translation.

OK, I've just looked in Y Geiriadur Mawr.

hiraeth - masculine noun. translates: longing, nostalgia, yearning, great desire, grief.

hiraethu - verb. translates: to yearn, to want, to deisre, to sorrow.

hireathus - adjective. tramslates: longing, homesick, "full of hiraeth"

Bloody good word that - sums up how I feel about Wales

So basically 'full of it'!

|| On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:45:25 +0100, "Richard Brookman" || scribbled the following || nonsense: || ||| Neil Brownlee wrote: ||| ||||| Sausages? SAUSAGES?!?!?! ||||| ||||| -- ||||| Neil ||| ||| Garlic? BREAD? ||| ||| || || trust Di is getting stocked up for October???

Yeah, we're bringing a trailer with all the unused ones from Graham's do. Reheat them, should be lovely.

I think we overdid it a wee bit last time, but yes, I would think so.

s - p - u - d?

Nah

(thanks)

|| On or around Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:00:41 +0100, "Richard Brookman" || enlightened us thusly: || ||| Austin Shackles wrote: ||| ||||| oh yes, Hiraeth is good. ISTR Harry Secombe talking about it in ||||| "We'll keep a Welcome..." - and saying that it can't be ||||| translated. It's closest to "longing" entomologically (there's a ||||| good word!). ||| ||| Entomology - study of insects ||| Etymology - study of word origins ||| || || you're right, I did mean the latter. || ||| And if you meant the latter, I can't see how words from separate ||| groups within Indo-European (Celtic and Germanic) can be "close", ||| since the two groups separated in the Bronze Age. || || I meant in meaning. "hir" is "long", and hiraeth is probably || something along the lines of "longness" as a direct translation.

You may be right. The two meanings of "long" in English (lengthy and yearning) come from the same root, so why not?

|| OK, I've just looked in Y Geiriadur Mawr. || || hiraeth - masculine noun. translates: longing, nostalgia, || yearning, great desire, grief.

Yep, spot on. I wonder if there's an equivalent in Yorksher speik, cos I sometimes feel it.

|| hiraethu - verb. translates: to yearn, to want, to deisre, to || sorrow. || || hireathus - adjective. tramslates: longing, homesick, "full of || hiraeth"

I could only lay hands on a copy of Y Geiriadur Newydd - modern rubbish, I reckon.

On or around Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:52:51 +0100, "Richard Brookman" enlightened us thusly:

I dunno. one of the things I like about the Geiriadur mawr is that it's not only a translation dictionary but the welsh half is a genuine dictionary of meanings, in welsh - it gives the meaning, then the translation.

You can still get Y Geiriadur Mawr, I think.