gas questions for LS430

You still haven't answered the question on what "better performance" means.

That means you don't know. You're just wasting money to waste money, to show the world that you can "afford" it.

Yer an idiot.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Did you really say that?

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Elmo P. Shagnasty

Nonsense. This question has been answered over and over again.

Better performance means more mpg, which may, in fact, partially or even fully offset the additional cost of higher octane fuel. Potentially, it also means faster acceleration and longer engine life.

A lot of claims have been made here on both sides of the argument. And many requests for "proof" have been made on both sides, but no proof has been submitted either way.

Let's keep things in perspective here. We're talking about $100 per year, which may, in fact, be partially or even fully offset by the additional cost of higher octane fuel.

Elmo, is it possible for you to disagree without being disagreeable?

This comment says more about the poster than anything else.

There are valid ideas on both sides of this argument. I, for one, would be interested in more knowledge and less kindergarten playground attacks.

Reply to
David Z

It has?

Can you post a reference to the answer?

Better performance could mean quicker trap times. Or it could mean nothing more than the engine idles more smoothly when the AC compressor kicks in.

So please post a reference to where Lexus defines the term "better performance".

Please post a reference to where Lexus defines "better performance" as meaning "more mpg".

As would I. So please post a reference to where Lexus defines the term "better performance".

Reply to
Elmo P. Shagnasty

When did anyone claim that Lexus made any such statement? That's not the issue and you know it. Who cares if Lexus made any such statement or not?

The question is whether higher octane fuel increases mpg enough to justify the relatively small increase in cost. And whether or not higher octane fuel yields more power and longevity.

I made it very clear from my last post that I don't profess to know the answer to these questions. How did you miss that?

There you go again.

And again.

Reply to
David Z

That's my point. Lexus has done nothing but say "use 87 octane, or, for better performance, use higher octane". That's in their owner's manual. They do NOT define what they mean by "better performance".

Yet you and others come in here and use that vague term as the end of the discussion. You have no idea what it means, because Lexus hasn't told anyone, but you're hanging onto it very tightly.

If they don't define it in a clear, concise, engineering-oriented way, then it's just marketing fluff designed to make you feel better.

That's actually a separate question, unrelated to Viperkiller's owner's manual statement of "better performance" and what rationale he's using to defend his use of higher octane fuel--in other words, what does "better performance" mean.

See above. Viperkiller has come in here and quoted his owner's manual, and it makes reference only to some vague and mystical "better performance" that one will get by using higher octane fuel (or, as Viperkiller insists on calling it, "premium").

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Elmo P. Shagnasty

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