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New Toyota/Lexus Models Coming Out In The Next Few Years?
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Top Posting because Mike apparently doesn't scroll down to read before responding...
Mike,
You should read what others posted before responding.
I asked you in 2 different posts which Lexus model you were considering when you got the Lincoln LS and your response has been the same both times, which is why you think the Lincoln LS or Ford is a better buy than a Lexus or Toyota and ignoring my question.
I happen to agree with you to a certain extent if someone is looking to purchase a car purely on the basis of lowest cash outlay over the life of the car, a Ford make sense, as it does to fleet buyers.
On the other hand, when you take intangibles into account, then other brands like Toyota and Lexus make sense.
I know you consider intangibles in some of your decisions, otherwise, you would not have enjoyed the TR or Ford GT rides - 2 cars that do not make economic sense for daily transportation, and instead of staying married and paying to keep your wife happy and comfortable, it would be cheaper to hire someone to accompany you to dinner or do whatever.
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I guess I assumed too much. For a Lexus guy I figured you would KNOW which Lexus' were RWD V8s and which one sold for
55K in 1999. ;)mike hunt
Ray O wrote:
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The Lincoln LS is a piece of garbage compared to the Lexus that you're referring to. The Lincoln LS is nothing more than a dressed up Ford Contour that sold for $15K. As a Lincoln, it's okay to be sold for $40k? Talk about being overpriced.
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Lincoln LS: REAR wheel drive Ford Contour: FRONT wheel drive.
Two entirely different cars.
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I'm not a Lexus guy. I'm guessing that in 1999, RWD V8's in that price range were a loaded GS 400 and moderately equipped LS 400, more likely the LS 400. To me, the LS 400 competes more with a Town Car with an emphasis on comfort and the GS 400 competes more with the Lincoln LS with an emphasis on sportiness.
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You are right that the Lincoln is a RWD while the Contour is a FWD. This much is true: the Lincoln LS and the Jaguar X-Type are based from from Mondeo platform. As you may have been already aware, the Mondeo was imported here in the US as the Contour and Mystique. Here's a couple of references:
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You are wrong the Lincoln LS is not based on a Mondeo platform. The Type is based on the second generation Mondeo platform but not the Lincoln LS. The 'S,' T-Bird, and the Lincoln LS are based on the same chassis and the 2005 Mustang is derived from that same chassis.
mike hunt
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wo entirely different cars.
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FYI, the new Camry is coming out next year... along with the new IS. They are both much bolder and sportier than they are now.
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Ford just lost $1.2 billion dollars (quarter announced this week). Toyota is in the black, with huge profits. I would rather be with a company that does not cut corners to make a comeback. Ford is on too shaky grounds to buy the brand name. Now it will be worse than ever. They will be forced to cut every corner they have not. Part manufacturers are already taking a huge hit and cant cut more. Mike, I would love to support Ford, but in reality they were screwing all of us 30 years ago when they made utter crap. Now they deserve what they get.
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It's not this. It's their Wal-Mart type tactics with 5% mandatory price reductions per year. Their suppliers eventually did what any company that's being ruthlessly squeezed does to stay alive - they lowered Q.C. and outsourced as much as they could.
See, in retail, it works - you sell a product and that's it - as the retailer, your hands are washed. Problems are dealt with through the maker. But as an automobile maker, you can't make disposeable retail mentality cars. You sell and make the same product, so it comes back to bite you as quality slips. It was a fatal mistake that the directors of Ford took in their greed and arrogance. Never satisfied with a good bottom-line, they wanted more and more profits.
The more they cut, the worse it will get. Then they implode. IMO, they have already crossed the point of no return. GM, though, is probably salvageable. Their problems are purely due to bloat and inefficiency, much like how Chrysler's were in the past. Ford, though, is beyond fixing.
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Yeah but my Nokians only lasted 2 seasons (14000 miles, total) on my Lexus LS430.
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Which Nokians did you use?
I'm on the all-season WR. Different beast entirely than the dedicated snow/winter tires.
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A $57000 Lexus LS430 is not a comparable car to a Lincoln LS...the Lexus ES is more comparable.
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Only in price. The ES comes with a V6 with only 225 HP @/only
249 FP of torque that comes on at too high of RPMs, that is driving the WRONG end of what is supposed to be a sporty sedan. One must buy a Lexus LS or the Lincoln LS to get a V8 that is driving the correct set of wheels for a sporty sedan.mike hunt
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Not true. Lexus sells other V8 RWD vehicles.
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What other RWD sporty sedan does Lexus sell in the US, with a V8? The don't sell a RWD V8 coupe or convertible either.
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
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GS, SC
Where do you live, under a rock?
Is the Lincoln the only RWD V8 sedan you could find?
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Lexus RWD V8's available in the U.S. (back in 1999 and now) GS 400 - now GS 430 - sporty sedan probably more comparable to Lincoln LS in performance LS 400 - now LS 430 - luxury sedan probably more comparable to Lincoln TC SC 400 - now SC 430 - RWD coupe, current SC 430 has a retractable hard top convertible/coupe
The IS 300 is a straight 6 RWD sedan
Price-wise, the FWD Lexus ES 330 is closer to the RWD Lincoln LS while the RWD GS is closer to the FWD Continental so Lexus and Lincoln have different offerings in these segments.