First, I do not own a Mercedes (just a bit above my financial station),
but I do Covet a Mercedes.
As I've been in this group, there's been a lot of talk that Mercedes just
isn't the car it was "before the round headlights". Now, they're just
like the others, and can point to the JD Power information for backup.
There are those unhappy with the warranty problems - the costs - the
simple fact that Mercedes are so complex and electronically driven that
they cannot possibly hold up for the 20 or 30 years that some of the old
My question is this: IF you feel this way towards Mercedes and you were
looking to replace your old MB... WHAT brand WOULD you look at that would
be durable, reliable, solid, etc. Would you switch to an Audi, or
consider a Lexus?
Just curious what others opinions would be that if Mercedes isn't
Mercedes anymore - what brand IS??
Please, positive posts only - no flame wars.
On 6 Mar 2004 09:00:59 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org (Jon Patrick)
I had MBs in the 60s and 70s which performed well for a decade with
only normal maintenance and unsurprising repairs. More recently, we
have never really worried about longevity since we've been leasing our
cars (2002 C320 SportWagon at present), keeping them no longer than
the full warranty and replacing them every 3-4 years.
Now that I am considering retiring, I am also considering buying a a
car for the (relatively) long term. The complexity issue exists not
only with MB but with all brands and I cannot believe that any brand
will endure as unfailingly as the older and simpler vehicles.
Have you considered going back to a model of vehicle that you liked in the
60s or 70s and having it completely re-done?
I've been thinking that something like a 68 GT0 convertible, completely
re-stored, would still cost less than a new E Class, and would seat five
comfortably, and be very simple to own an maintain. I think there are disk
brake upgrades, and so on.
What do you think of that kind of idea?
96 Dodge Viper
While I understand the idea, I am not willing to be so involved in the
restoration and maintenance, just what I am trying to avoid. Money is
only part of it; less bother is important, too. The answer may lie in
cheaper, more disposable and less entertaining cars. Sigh.
I think people's attitude's are also changing in that these days cars
are more expendable, i.e. keep them for just a few years, then move on
to the next new one.
So my point is that once upon a time, when perhaps one would have
bought a car for 'life', or at least for a decade (looking at values
like those you mention), nowadays cars are bought like fashion
accessories, handbags, watches if you like and the styling is there as
proof (along with the gimmicks/fads - some of which *are* good).
Over here, in Europe that is certainly my experience - and in a way
it's quite refreshing.
Question is, do you *really* want to buy your 'last' car ??
To answer your question directly I think is *so* difficult I'm not
sure who does 'dependable, reliable, solid' anymore.
Once upon a time, I would never have considered a japanese car and to
date my stomach still churns at the thought ! But as my needs become
more defined (i.e. reliable), I feel myself being drawn closer and
closer to those makes called Toyota & Honda !
Good luck !!
email@example.com (Jon Patrick) wrote in message
Like it or not, Toyota and Honda build good cars. I know plenty of
once-diehard Euro-car fans who have to admit that the Japanese cars are not
only better values for the money, but in many ways built better.
Not necessarily. What's your price range? There are some fine older
Mercedes around, and many of them are built even stronger than later models.
2002 Audi S-8 to replace my 99 S420 Mercedes, except I don't want to spend
Audi has been coming on strong. All of the quality, plus all wheel drive.
Plus, not everyone thinks that Mercedes has seen its day in the sun. I
don't have many miles on mine (59,000) but so far it seems like a very good
car, so long as you have something a bit more fun to drive when the curves
start calling to you.
96 Dodge Viper RT/10
All new cars are too high tech for the DIY owner and this technology is
advancing its pace rather than plateauing. So to be in the swim one must
buy new every five to seven years. Then it's just a matter of $$ -
luxury car at say seven years or volume car at four or five years.
There's no escape.
I've owned a '80 300SD since new; it's in great condition with 107K
miles and drives nearly like it did in '80. But we're no longer living
in a 55 mph world and as nice as the old SD is, it's not up to the ease
of driving that our '97 E320 delivers. It's rack and pinion steering is
more precise and its 3.2L gas engine has far more power than the old
diesel yet delivers the same freeway mileage. So the old car is now our
local errand car and it's fine for that and the new one is the trip car.
As the '97 is now 7 model years old I've been considering new models.
Jaguar XJ8, Lexus LS430 and M-B S430 or E320. Each has its points but
NONE are investment cars due to their high technological obsolesce,
notwithstanding their premium prices. And I'm under no illusion that the
M-B or Jaguar are on the same reliability level as the Lexus so part of
the "cost" of Jaguar and M-B is the inevitable trips to the dealer for
warranty repairs - just to drive a new car! Ironic isn't it? But the
ugly style of the Lexus nearly puts it out of contention for me.
So you see that you're not the only one who ponders the question of what
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