GM Working On A 'Mustang Competitor'!!

"Refinish King" wrote

Doesn't exist. If you mean Zyprexa though, I don't see what that has anything to do with any condition that CJ may or may not have. It's used for manic depression, schizophrenia, and behavioral problems that occur with dementia. After reading some of your posts it sounds like you should visit with your doctor about maybe starting it yourself, especially for that last indication for usage. Don't try to say it was a *typo* since P and X are on completely opposite sides of the keyboard.

Actually that's in the southern half of the state. In the northern half it's correctly pronounced with the -ee sound at the end.

Interesting. To hear some in the media you think all Missouri residents say and prefer (even take offense to not) the "uhh" sound at the end. Glad to hear not all see it that way. There is hope.

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I was born there...but uhhhh, I don't pronounce it with an uhhh.

Don Manning

Joe,

I am the only one that sees a possible Thunder Alley coming up? I shudder to think what would come out of CJ during TA. It has been a while you know.

Ding, Ding, Ding. Round one over. Point to 66 6F HCS.

Don Manning

Almost 12 years I have been in this line of work. Not to much bother's me unless it concerns my children.

Don Manning

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heh heh actually, my usage of the phrase, "can't we all just get along", was more in reference to GM/Ford/Mopar than it was an us vs. them comment, and I meant it to be mild, if very dated, humor... However, I stand by my statement that we all have something in common: the fact that our vehicles are made (or at least designed) in America. Many here and in the 'Stang group aren't as strongly American nationalist as I am (no, I'm not a Nazi, they were fascist socialists), but I think most on these two boards at least acknowledge that American brands - GM, Mopar, Ford - ALL must survive, thrive, and continue to represent at least some semblance of what they used to be. Without all three of them, we would lose a large part of American cultural history and pride - stemming from the greatest time in our nation's history, the late 40's through the mid 60's (late 60's/early 70's with cars) - and would only lose more ground to predominately Asian manufacturers who gained a once-earned, no-longer-applicable reputation in the late 70's - late 80's for reliability. Personally, I'm sick of hearing about how great Honda, Toyota, BMW, and Mercedes are, considering they're more difficult to work on, more expensive to fix, and no more reliable than American cars at this point in time.

Anyway, this has been my drunken screed for the week. Hope you enjoyed it for one reason or another.

Refinish King wrote the following, which while being attributed to fact was none the less being challenged::

I'm reminded on the motto "No man is as tall when he stoops to help a disabled child" which is adopted by The Shriners.

I am a Special Olympic volunteer, and have rallied my company to not only make monetary contributions but to help in local events. Our last event other than the Games themselves was an airplane pulling contest out at RDU airport this past May. With 125 teams of 'pullers' there, as well as tv & radio coverage (I actually was on WBBB 96.1 Rock's team this year, where we finished 8th overall, which IMO is not to shabby for a rag-tag team of radio call in people getting together for the first (and probably only) time) it was quite an event.

All my friends growing up were deaf. I learned sign language (ASL) to be able to communicate with this one guy, John Cunningham, so we would stop using so much paper writing notes to each other all the time. In that particular group of deaf people, someone non-deaf who is willing to take the time and learn their language, so to speak, is not an common occurence. You get to meet and learn of most every deaf person in a wide area (and as this was in a suburb of Sacramento, CA it was truly a wide area), and they invariably will ask you to translate for them, such as in civil proceedings and the like, where there is in fact a noticible lack of translators.

I have nothing but respect for the parents of these kids, all of them except for the father of John Cunningham himself, who was an complete ass and earned the disrespect he received.

I know this post is getting long, but will end it with this quick story:

While visiting John while he was in ASL class the language department at UCDavis, I mistakenly approached the lady working at the desk and, in sign ASL, asked her for the whereabouts of John. She replied, in ASL, that he was out for something but would return in just a few minutes. We started bantering back and forth, and 'talked' for nearly 10 minutes when all of a sudden the phone rang. She picked it up and, much to my amazement, fielded the phone call.

Afterwards, I looked at her and said aloud "I thought you were deaf?" to which she replied "I thought -You- were deaf!"

Wm

I'll tell ya Don, I've always hoped for one but who knows? CJ seems to have evolved beyond those days. I've seen a bit of thrashing here and there, but nothing recent matches the TA posts from years ago. Even if CJ never revives TA, I'll have many fond memories.

Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

"2.3Sleeper" wrote in news:uLaCc.8210$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:

My point is, since this is an actual vehical idea, it's not bench racing. Im serious about doing it. Serious engough that I turned down buying another project vehical. The lower cost route is to find one at a salvage auction and purchase it that way. Then sell the un-needed parts to salvage yards. A few Ideal with will take me to the auctions, and would be happy to buy any parts I didn't need from me at a fair price.

That's one of the problems with a vehical your have not seen dis-assembled. You have to guess at fitments. When you see one dis-assembled you can take measurements and know plus/minus the normial error factor what should fit.

I thought I had read that the SSR was body on frame built. I may be mistaken. If it is The standard diet methiods would work well. If it's uni-body, the only diet methiod that will work is a tube frame.

Not really. That 20 year old pickup out works most newer trucks. It does the duty that most people would need a 1 ton for.

I said I would Rather Havea Chevy then a Ford. Does that mean Im buying new vehicals? My last new vehical purchase was in 1998, a Buick Century. Which my mother picked out. When that got totaled, I went out and bought a used one of the same year, color, and almost the exact same options. That car is for driving her places in.She chose what she likes to ride in. If she left the chose to me, I would have bought a S-10 Blazer Extreame. Then sold the 4.3 V6 and dropped in the 350 I have on one of my engine stands, with the TPI set up from my 87 GTA.

I buy a lot of used vehicals. Some to rebuild & sell, some to drive and sell, and some to part out. Out of the vehicals I own right now, I have

2 buicks. 2 Pontiacs, 2 Toyota's, 1 Isuzu, 1 Ford, 1 Rambler, 1 Nash, and the rest are Chevy's.

The GTO is a Holden. Which is GM's Austrailian brand. Holdens use parts from all other GM makes. I would really like to see GM bring over the Holden Ute SS.

A few more Holden vehicals use the LS1 heads. While the GTO is the only US sold vehical that does. I don't know why. Could have been emmissions?Who knows.

People assume Im a brand hater as well. I like what I like. Some people hear would freak out knowing what I am doing with 2 toyota's.Let alone the fact that I like Toyota's. Charles

I was born there too, near Joplin. I have friends from north of KC. And there is a distinct difference in pronunciation. Yes those in the south take pride in the uh, in fact the correct Joplin/Springfield variation is pronounced muh-zur-uh. I've been gone from the area so long that when I was stationed in OKC everybody said I had a Kaliforny accent.

Oh I know of what you speak of, I just don't subscribe to the same magazine as the others, lol. I started speaking with a very even accent when I went into the military, that way I had one less thing to be picked on about.

Don Manning

After I posted that I went back last night and re-read tons of TA posts. Remember Jethro?

Don Manning

Yeah, that sounds pretty sad.

454ss, CamaroSS, Scarab, Callaway Corvette, Corvette, ImpalaSS.

Granted, Chevy really has nothing to compete with the Ford GT, but this is an unfair comparison. The GT40 was a pure racing car, never intended for John Q Street, and now Ford is dragging it back out of the dust bin and putting it in civie scivies for $150K. Hey, give me $150K to play with and I'll find something that'll smoke it.

nb

Thunder Alley took place when I had much more free time on my hands. Right now I have a building project going on that's going to keep me buried for several months. Firing up another TA show to flog on idjits who put the "rant" in "ignorant" is just too damn low on the priority list. I have to do with sporadic fire.

CobraJet

notbob wrote

What does Chevy have to match the Lightning, the Mustang GT or

You have now entered the realm of archeaology.

As far as the '70 or '71 SS 454 Chevelles, I agree Ford had nothing comparable from the factory during those years. A 429 Torino running a 460 crank and typical hot-rodding mods will blow it away, but stock for stock Chevy wins.

As far as the 4th Gen Camaro Z/28-SS, agreed, Ford had nothing to touch it until the more expensive blown SVT Cobra came out in '03.

As for the 1st Gen Camaros, the 396/375's were badass on the strip, but the other 396's and the 350's had their equivalents at Ford. And even the 396/375's couldn't keep up with the 428 CJ Stangs.

You can throw the '69 COPO 427's at me, but I can throw the '65-'70 Shelbys right back, and add that the tens of thousands of Shelbys comprise a far more significant slice of automotive history than the

1,000 or so '69 427 COPOs.

As far as road racing, Shelby GT350R Mustangs won SCCA B Production in '65 and '66, running against CORVETTES. And in the Trans Am, Mustangs won in '66, '67, and '70, while Camaros won in '68 and '69. I'd give the overall edge to the Mustang, seeing as how it not only bookended the Camaro, it won more series overall.

As for the Scarab, now that's really getting obscure. If you're talking homologated sports cars, the Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe won the FIA world championship over the Ferrari GTO in '64. The Scarab won nothing. And of course the 289 and 427 Cobra roadsters dominated every series they ran in.

If you're talking sports prototypes -- which is where the Scarab sports cars actually ran -- nothing before or since has compared to the Ford GT40's. If you're talking Formula 1 -- there were two Scarab F1 cars as I recall -- again no one before or since can compare to the Ford Cosworth V8. During one long stretch in the '70's Ferrari was the only F1 team NOT running the Ford motor.

Funny you wouldn't mention the Can Am series of the late '60's, early '70's. The last "formula libre" series ever, it was dominated by the McLarens and their 427 and 435 ci Chevy Rat motors. Ford was a non-factor.

(Not funny you wouldn't mention NASCAR of the '60's and early '70's, since it was Chevy that was the non-factor there.)

The Callaway Corvette, I can only say "eh" to that one. Not a series produced vehicle, really, not in the sense the Shelby Cobras were. The twin turbo Callaways were awesome on paper, and I guess they're gaining in collector value now, but they hardly made a ripple in their hey-day. And they'll never touch a Ford GT or a Shelby Cobra in pedigree, prestige, or value.

The factory Corvette itself is a one of a kind. Actually it's a dozen of a kind, at least. It started out as a joke in '54 -- six cylinders, 2-spd Powerglide tranny, any color you wanted as long as it was white -- and through '62 was still running a Stone Age X-frame with running gear that full size Chevys had left behind in '55. Even when the IRS '63 came out, the Shelby Cobra and Jaguar XK-E (now a Ford brand) were better cars. The 327/365's, 427/425's, 427/435's, and 350/370's were great cars. But most Vettes during this period were secretary cars and poseur-mobiles, running station-wagon level motors with AC and automatics and skinny little whitewall tires.

Still and all we'll give the mid to early '60's to the Vette as America's only sports car. The mid '70's through '83 are better forgotten altogether. (Hey, we'd like to do the same thing with the Mustang II and the early Fox Stangs, too.) Then, starting with the Fourth Gen and continuing to the present day, they've been competent, admirable, and in a class of one in bang for buck.

The Impala SS -- I guess you mean the LT-1 "late" model -- I'll go along with you that Ford had nothing to compare during those particular model years. And anyway I'm getting tired of typing. I'll just say that to mention the LT-1 Impala SS is to damn Chevy with faint praise. In other words, BFD.

There is no commonality whatsoever between the Lola-built, 289 and 427 FE powered '60's Ford "GT40" and the new GT. And you're wrong about the "pure racing car" bit. The rules required 50 road-going production examples, and according to this source

$Ford@$GT40%20Mark%20I%20Productiong.html85 were built.

As far as finding something to equal the new GT for $150,000, it can't be done. Sure, you could buy a used Formula 5000 that could tear it up on the track. Maybe even a $10,000 Formula Ford would have it covered. A Mosler or an Ultima GT might give it a run -- I have no idea -- but there's nothing else turn-key and new that you could buy for the same money that is anywhere close.

180 Out TS 28

Well that's my point. What is incorrect and to be quite honest, born out of a lack of proper education, is touted as being politically correct. And these days some equate politically correct to actual correct, which are not at all the same. Why else would anyone take pride in sounding like an under/uneducated person. This may seem kind of wield, but I am actually glad to see you say that not everyone in that state talks like that.

Anyway, this has little to do with cars and such and I am starting to ramble.

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Wasn't a typo:

Since you're an expert on the drug, why don't you take it in suppository form?

Refinish King