New car - drawn to the Dark Side

Jan 07, 2005 52 Replies

I'm fairly sure that Grunff lives in the west of England, so my reading is that Al, far from making a generalisation, was adding a rider that this is a UK experience.

30-40 years ago some British companies had a 'buy British' poicy for company cars, but this would be hard to implement now. After all, would it be realistic to allow an employee to choose a car made by BMW in Britain called a Mini, but not to choose a car made by BMW in Germany called a 3-series? Would you allow a Nissan Primera made in Britain, but not a Ford Mondeo made in Belgium? Come to that, would you allow a GM car called a Vectra made in Luton, but not one made in Trollhattan called a Saab 9-3?

It's a while ago, but when I worked in a place where there was a significant number of company cars, BMWs were a popular choice with the leasing company: they were reliable, had relatively low depreciation, and the standard leasing budget for a middle manager (nob headed or other) would cover a fairly low-end 3 series.

For what it's worth, most Mercedes sold in Britain seem to be automatics, apart from the Sprinter delivery vans

Martin

Also my experience. The only time you see a BMW in the inner lane is when they cut in just in front of you ahead of the morning queue for turning off a motorway junction. Sometimes, they don't make it and I've seen a brand new BMW with smashed up bonnet on the hard shoulder near the slip road.

I'm not envious though, BMWs are nice enough motors, but I have the impression that workshop prices are rather high. This may not affect Grunff since he seems to be hands on. BMWs are also very common around here, probably middle rank company car issue in many cases, that could explain a lot...

My 9000 CSE was bought in 1997 from a bank manager; he bought it off the bank and got a BMW as next company car.

I don't know how workshop prices compare, because as you said I do my own work. But what I can tell you is that there is a really big difference in many parts prices, with BMW being significantly cheaper.

Yeah, I know - the image, and how common they are does bother me - but I keep telling myself it shouldn't! Dammit - it's a car, I should be able to judge it on its own merits, not on what other people choose to do with it.

As a side note, I've noticed that since driving a Saab in the UK, more drivers seem to be willing to let me into busy traffic than was formerly the case !

Graham

You're buying a car, not the specs....buy what feels better, not what looks better on paper. Is there a large difference in parts prices? In Canada, BMW 5 series parts are costly, not so bad for the 3 series where there are numerous after market offerings. I find Saab prices are not too bad ( with the exception of the DI cassette).

Both are good vehicles each with some strengths; unless I had a strong preference for one over the other, I would let the market price/condition/availability decide for me.

I think they're pretty easy to work on for a FWD..

Anyway most modern cars have cramped engine bays and plastic covers everywhere....may as well put 'no user serviceable parts inside'...

The W123 was superbly engineered, (OK a tank!). Can't say either BMW or Mercedes impress me much these days...

And I'd never drive a modern Volvo..To me that is the dark side!

FWD or RWD, it is a matter of personal preference. Each handles differently, so it depends on how you like to drive. I own both, a RWD and FWD - both with turbos and manual transmission :-) They are both fun to drive, but I prefer the FWD in the snow. I do notice the torque steer in the FWD after driving the RWD. Hand brake turns are easier in the FWD with the parking brake on the rear wheels. These cars do not have traction control or electronic stability systems.

The 9^5 2.3T is a 2.3L turbo - so far so good. But the capacity of the 523 isn't necessarily 2.3L, it sometimes depends on MY? Now Saab has an 9^3 1.8t which is actually 2.0L. (After BMW318 that has 2.0L). Mercedes has an SLK 230 which is actually an 1.8L with kompressor. Confused? - I am.

Yup.

In this case (for the e39), it's 2.5l. Whereas my e30 325i is really 2.5l.

I know - it really annoys me when they do that.

Hi all,

I'm in the process of looking for a new car. Looking for a nice, presentable car, maybe 5 years old or so. Obvious you say - get a nice

9^5 2.3t. Sensible, roomy, comfortable.

Sure, it all looks great on paper, then you drive one, and think "yeah, this ain't bad at all". But then you go and drive an equivalent 5 series. Ouch!

Oooooooh yeah! Try a Camry - figuratively speaking of course .... didn't mean to upset anyone!

Just think, if you ever win the pools you can buy a restored Aero for the weekends, a nice man to fettle it *and* a new M5. Sorry - shouldn't raise false hopes, but it'd be nice, wouldn't it? Cheers - and happy new year

No, I was not generalizing. I was presenting an alternate opinion which negates the original supposition that "all BMW drivers" are nob heads (or whatever). My contention is that only *some* BMW drivers are nob heads.

See the difference?

-MaltHound

Exactly.

.. or perhaps even more important, you driving impressioms when you actually test drive the things.

-MaltHound

Sounds like a bit trickier proposition in a quick reaction mode, especially since I drive the car with my foot already on the accelerator, but seldom do I find my hand resting on the handbrake.

-MaltHound

Both of mine do. BMWs that is. With a switch to turn it off should I desire to...

MaltHound

I don't think anyone would disagree with your statement - but driving around Britain's roads you can very easily reach the conclusion that anyone driving a BMW is a moron. Of course, it's not true - I drive my

325 occasionally :-)

I'm also a D-I-Y repair guy. And I agree, I can get most BMW parts cheaper than SAAB parts (here in the US). I imagine this is an economies of scale thing... Plus I seem better able to find supporting repair info for older (8-12 y.o.) BMWs than for SAABs.

That's the ticket, brother Grunff! Be your own man. Make up *your own* mind. I just don't understand folks that can't do that.

Drive all the cars and pick the one that is/feels the best. Image be damned!!

-MaltHound

PS - after you do the heads up comparison, we'll see you on the Alt.Autos.BMW NG ;-)

It's not only in Britain, same in NL, I see it almost daily...

-- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '87 900T8

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There is something to be said about learning how to drive without an electronic system to compensate for your mistakes. With that said, BMW has the right idea by providing a switch so you can turn off these electronic systems. You can learn how to drive your car and an inexperienced driver can also drive the car safely - with the systems turned on . . .

Audi used to have a switch so you could turn off the ABS. There are certain road conditions where ABS is a disadvantage.

If you're looking for a 5+ year old 528, make sure the engine has been changed if it had the Nikasil liners, or you're probably looking at a £3k investment in a new engine pretty soon even if you run it only on ultra low sulphur petrol.

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