Consumer Reports and Saturn

Consumer Reports "unbiased"? ROTFLMAO! You've got to be kidding. Their bias against *all* American-made vehicles has been well-known for decades. They got caught with their pants down in the late 70s or early 80s when they rated the Dodge Colt as significantly less reliable than the Mitubishi model to which it was identical in every respect. That's the most blatant example I'm aware of, but far from the only one. Unbiased my foot.

I can't recall Mitsu actually selling any of thier branded models here that early. I thought they didn't sell under thier own name in the US until the late '80's...I know they entered a agreement with an American company to sell thier cars re-badged. The Dodge Colt and Plymouth Champ were identical, except the Champ (of which we had) had a lot nicer interior, rims, etc, etc. Was Dodge and Plymouth part of Chrysler at that time or was AMC/Jeep/Eagle aquired yet? I get confused as to what was the top company....

CR's surveys are entirely self-selected, which right off the bat makes them completely invalid from a scientific standpoint.

They note that *now*. They didn't used to, not until after they got caught with their pants down on the Colt and a few others.

Or how they respond to surveys.

"Often" is not the correct spelling of "sometimes".

Sorry, that's not correct. Self-selected surveys are scientifically invalid. Period.

You go on believing that if it makes you feel better.

No, many people dismiss CR's surveys because they bear much less relationship to reality than CR likes to pretend they do.

No, what makes the surveys completely invalid from a statistical standpoint is the self-selected sampling. That isn't statistically valid. Period.

Actually, it is like that. JD Power consistently ranks American cars much higher than CR does -- like I said, CR's bias against American-made cars has been obvious and widely known for decades. Your unwillingness, or inability, to recognize that does not change it.

Nah, it is reality.

I've always wondered why CR rates good american cars/trucks as poor and average/poor Japanese cars/trucks as "excellent." They do still rate poor american cars/trucks as such and they do rate all good Japanese cars/trucks as excellent.

Just curious.