Coolant conditioner

Are you a lawyer?

Hi,

What others "think" about the conditioner has nothing to do with whether it's good, bad or indifferent. Go spend the $5 or so and try it: then form your own opinion, as you apparently have about the car in general.

If you don't like it, get the Matrix. We'll still be here should you start having second thoughts about how good the Subie was. I own Toyotas (in addition to my Subie), and generally recommend them, but the talk I've heard around the shop at my local Toyota store suggests a Matrix won't be on my next shopping list.

Good luck either way!

Rick

Why won't the Matrix be on your shopping list?

This "Conditioner'' crap is a band-aid approach to a KNOWN problem. It's not a question of IF it will fail..it's WHEN. This conditioner is nothing more than a silicon based "stop leak". When the engine begins to develop minute leaks it jams them. The entire line of late model Toyotas are a LOT more reliable than the late model Subaru's. Your 2.5L engine is a ticking time bomb..and Subaru of America is NOT your friend.

I agree . A "stop leak" type product is not an acceptable solution for a known design/engineering problem. Step up Subaru and issue a recall and install a proper head gasket. The handling of this situation as well as the poor design/ergonomics of the new models makes my '04 the last Subaru I will likely buy.

Hi,

It doesn't seem to meet the reliability of most other Toyotas... either the real (listening to the mechanics talk) or the perceived (listening to the owners talk.)

Rick

I've been searching for info on what is inside the WRX and 2.5i motors to try to decide which one is the best one if I wanted to modify them later, or if it made any difference? The top of the block on the 2.5i is supposed to be open, with little metal connecting the sleeves the pistons ride in to the outside of the block, and there is a limit to how much turbo boost can be applied, because the sleeves could vibrate and make the head gasket leak internally. On the newer cars, the leak is said to be external. That wouldn't be as bad and stop leak an OK fix.

I'm wondering if anyone knows where the leaks have been, and if the cars that leaked internally were not modified but driven real hard a lot. Maybe even without adding a turbo to the motor with the Open deck (top) block, leaks are going inside.

VF

I've seen some pics of the leaks at

Carl

You should press your dealer (and get a second dealer opinion) about the coolant conditioner based on your car's circumstances. I'm no expert, but when I compare what I've read here with my dealer's advice, there's differing information as to what the coolant conditioner can fix. My dealer advises that the coolant conditioner is aimed at external headgasket leaks on certain 2.5L engines, whereas I've seen it recommended for internal and external hg leaks on all

I couldn't find any pics on that site. "Bottom of the Jugs" sounds like a VW air cooled motor.) Guess you mean the bottom side of the heads.

Read a few leaks happened after long trips. 200mi has been mentioned.

Sounds like there are many versions of the Sube motors. Open decks, semi open, and closed decks. Then cast iron sleves and not.

All the questions are keeping me from buying. I'm looking to the future when I might want to modify, or even have a motor that I don't have to worry about, that is as good as can be expected. With the thoughts of maybe modifing later, finding out which motor would be the one to change to, that isn't even easy. Then what will be needed to make it run is complicated. Give me the good old days.))

VF

Just go out and buy the f...ing car.

All you've been doing for the last month or so is ask all sorts of stupid questions about minor details and using them as excuses as to why you don't want to buy.

Like a VW engine.....dude..it's FIRST COUSIN to a VW engine.....