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Speaker-Eating dashboard?

You're asking for something that's *just about* physically impossible from

5" speakers in imperfect enclosures (doors). Here's an experiment you might want to try, though. I have been told that Radio Shack sells a decibel meter that reasonably accurate. With the car's top off, and no Harley or 18 wheeler nearby to add noise, measure how many decibels of noise there are just driving down the road with the radio off. I think you'll find that it's pretty close to 100db, especially with the wind in certain directions relative to the car.

To make enough clean, tight bass to overcome that noise if it existed in a bar, you'd want a lot more power than you have. You'd have larger speakers, and the enclosures would be designed for those speakers. I'm also a bass player, so don't debate this, OK?

By the way, what's the brand and model of your car amp?

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JoeSpareBedroom
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But...but...I get a MUCH better sound out of my Ampeg SVT 4-10" than I do out of my 2-15" Fender! I just have the Fender 'cause it weighs 50 LBS less!

Genuine Optimus! They were blowing them out when RadShack got out of the car stereo business. I got it for $30 NIB...

Yeah, not the best. But it's not the Supra that's chewing the speakers, it's the Mazda. The Supra sounds *GREAT*! (MB Quarts all around help, and these ones DIDN'T separate from the frames! ;)

Reply to
Hachiroku

OK. Save me from having to read back through the clutter again. In the Mazda, what is powering the speakers? Brand & model of amp, please.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

Just a plain old JVC head unit rated at 50W/channel (Effectively, 22W RMS) Speakers rated for 50W

I can't remember when I changed the speakers, because before that I was running an AIWA CD player. So, I should change the speakers and see if it still happens.

Problem is, it did it with the original pair in the car with a Kenwood Cassette deck. I changed the deck and the speakers at the same time, and then changed the speakers twice more. I'm running out of low-end speakers, and ain't putting a set of Quarts in there!

Reply to
Hachiroku

There's your answer. Your Kenwood is frying the speakers. I don't care WHAT the claimed wattage is, or how much power the speakers can handle. You don't have enough power to run them safely.

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JoeSpareBedroom

I pulled the Kenwood and installed the AIWA. THe left dash speaker was buzzing off the bat. I replaced it with another set of known good speakers, and the left dash speaker started buzzing after about 10-12 weeks. I replaced the speakers as a paor with new Clarions. After 10-12 weeks, the new Clarion left dash speaker started buzzing. I replaced the AIWA with a JVC, and replaced the left dash speaker with another known good speaker. This time it lasted about 3 weeks...

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Hachiroku

Are you running through the factory speaker wiring from the radio to the front speakers? There could be a power cross or a ground in the harness, and sticking a DC bias on speakers will kill them pronto.

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Bruce L. Bergman

Yes, it is the factory wiring, but it appears to have no common grounding (I thought that went out with Bell-Bottoms...)

Everything looks good. I also have a set of Infinity 6x9's in the rear deck, and they are performing perfectly. It's just that one speaker in the dash...

Reply to
Hachiroku

The floating ground question is a good one. It would cost you what - eleven cents and 20 minutes to run a pair of speaker wires?

Other points:

- You mentioned that one of the head units had 22 watts RMS per channel. For

4 speakers, two of which are probably eating lots of power (the rears) and two of which are not in proper enclosers (dash speakers), that's a recipe for disaster.

- Dash speakers never were a good idea. They still are not a good idea and never will be a good idea. They are not truly enclosed, so they are not damped by a mass of air behind them. There are ways to filter out bass only to those speakers, which effectively makes them into tweeters. Some people stick capacitors on the speakers, but I never did that and can't help with details. We used to use crossovers followed by two amplifiers, using combos like 50 per channel to the rears and 20 per channel to the fronts. Do you understand that general concept?

- Here's a mantra for you to repeat, for as many days or months it takes to believe it: There is no head unit with enough power for some car systems. "System" is defined as the possible assortment of speakers in a given car (without cutting new holes), combined with the listening habits of the particular person. If it were possible to build decent power into a package as small as a head unit, you'd see home stereos that small and light.

Start with new wiring, and then begin chanting the rest of the information until you're ready to digest more information.

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JoeSpareBedroom

COOL!!!

I did that with my Corolla GTS: ran a line to the rear of the car, and then used an electronic crossover, and then ran the outputs from that to separate amps; 60WPC for the bass, 40WPC for the mids and 30WPC for the tweets.

The fronts I used just off the shelf RadShack X-overs split to the speakers. I had 55WPC running the fronts.

It sounded SWEET!

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Hachiroku

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