Labor time for Waterpump R&R

4 cyl/3.2 6cyl/3.1

MOD says 3.6

+.2 for cruise control +.1 for oil cooler interference +.2 per pulley if your doing oil seals hope this helps, Ben

I don't know, but if you were in Wheeling WV I could do it at home for you. As I need the work. Shops around here are getting $60.00 to $80.00 an hour. Tony

Using the average of the books I can access looks like 3.5 hours.

I have done a bunch of these. I always urge the customer to do be thorough, and replace the w/p, t/belt, oil seals, drive belts and change the oil and filter, coolant and t/stat and hoses as necessary. Cuts way down on comebacks and I end up with happier customers. I usually charge 4.5 hours. hth, Ben

AS most all that has to come off anyway, it is a good idea. I had about the same thing done when I had the timing belt changed on my 1919 Camry. Not much more labor and not that much in parts if the mechanic does not try to charge for additional labor to replace things he has to take off anyway.

I had the timing belt and water pump replaced on a 2000 4runner with 3.4L engine. They also replaced all the pulleys under the timing cover (at least

2). No tensioner was replaced (huh??). No seals either. I know you want to know the hours, but the cost was exactly $1000.

Vito

The hydraulic tensioner for the V6 should be the reusable one. You just compress the pressure rod. No need to change unless worn, then you'll hear a rattle in the timing belt area. From AllData 3-5 hours for the whole job I would say (valve cover and pump). T-belt was about

3-4 hours.

I was going to insist on a Toyota pump, seals, and coolant when we have this job done on our '95 Camry wagon. The shop we'll be using buys from NAPA, though, and if that NAPA pump is really good then I'll just have them use that. Can anyone else recommend it? I was also going to let them use a NAPA timing belt. Can NAPA get good oil seals, or should I provide those with the coolant?

Thanks for the lowdown on the tensioner. I figured there was nothing to wear out, but on other makes of vehicles (chrysler) I think they would replace it anyway just because they can make a case to do so by some swift talking.

3-4 hours.

"Tensioner" is an ambiguous term at best and can mean different things to different people.

The tensioner PULLEY should be replaced on either a Chrysler (3.5 or

3.2) or Toyota, just because its good insurance while you're that far into it.

The tensioner PLUNGER which applies pressure and damping to the tensioner pulley generally never has to be replaced on either one.

Uncle_vito wrote:

From what I've heard Toyota pumps are very well made. I suggest you use Toyota parts even if you have to fetch them yourself. Not knocking NAPA parts, but if I had a Toyota I'd go with Toyota parts.

--Vic

It depends... Toyota, like most carmakers (GM being a remaining exception, and even its getting rarer as they continue to spin off former divisions like Delphi), doesn't make its own waterpumps, alternators, starters, A/C compressors, oil pumps, wheel bearings, and other accessories. Carmakers all tend to spec very good parts from the original vendors when they build the cars, but over the years after a given model is built, the contract for producing replacement parts gets re-negotiated, so there's NO guarantee that the same supplier that made waterpumps for 96 Camrys when they rolled off the assembly line is making the waterpump you get at the Toyota dealer for a 96 Camry today. In fact its very likely the same vendor that NAPA uses.

And in some cases when a carmaker under-specs an OEM part and there's a rash of failures, the aftermarket suppliers respond with improved parts faster than the OEM parts supply chain does.

I'm not up to date. But I did just put a new compressor on my '97 Lumina, and asked for a Delco. I got OEM, but it wasn't Delco. Started with remans, and after 2 bad ones Murray's gave me a new one at the same cost to shut me up. So what you say is no surprise. Always heard good things about those Toyotas waterpumps.

--Vic

True. In fact, AC Delco was an award-winning Toyota supplier of AC system parts for their trucks. Lately Toyota's started using some (IMO) cheap stuff like Bridgestone tires instead Michelin, NBK brake pads instead of Akebono, Bando belts instead of Gates, etc.

Cost savings in a major factor. But for typical maintenance items people can do better for less.

Sure, maybe there are people who use only Toyota gas in their tanks, Toyota air in their tires, and even drive on Toyota roads only. Not me. ;)

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for Delco stuff. When you order from local parts stores they often substitute their usual contract line of products from which they get discounts.

Delco is OEM manufacturer and also a redistributor, so they also rebox what they don't make. You have to tell local stores "do not substitute". NAPA is just simpler in case of warranty issues.

Nice parts site. For the '97 Lumina it looks like the Delcos are remans. Probably the 2 failing remans were Delco. I didn't look, my kid did the job. First one the clutch solemoid shorted out within a week, blowing the A/C fuse, and the second one was leaking at the shaft seal after a few weeks. Right when I got to Florida of course. New one is still working fine after more than a month. Knock on wood.

--Vic

Well, an OEM A/C compressor for a GM would probably be a Harrison (or back in the old days, a Frgidaire.) I don't know if today GM also uses Nippondenso and Sanden like everyone else does or not. Delco/Delphi only made GM electrical parts, Saginaw made steering and suspension parts, Harrison made heating/cooling parts, Rochester made fuel system parts... etc. etc. etc.

A few years back I was fortunate to get a tour of a Toyota plant in Japan. I was somewhat surprised to learn that TOYOTA, the "mother company" actually made very few parts themselves. The bulk of their manufacturing requirements were supplied by vendors making parts to their specs. A shocking discovery was when I asked where their incoming inspection, or maybe first article acceptance area was. They gave me a serious look and said something to the effect that "our vendors supply parts to our requirements and specs, why would we waste time inspecting their work?" It all seemed to work, must be a culture difference...regards, Joe