Michelins - still "great tires" (was: Tire Pressure)

Enjoy your Michelins. They are great tires.

You touched a sore point with me. For years I have been a Michelin drone. Whenever I needed replacement tires, I always bought Michelins. Lately I begun to think maybe I should look elsewhere. I have been less that thrilled with the last few Michelin tires (or BFGoodrich tires - a Michelin subsidiary) that I have purchased.

My 2003 Expedition came with Continental tires. They were OK for the first

50,000 miles, but began to get noisy, so I replaced them at around 55,000 miles with Michelin Cross-Terrains. I now wish I had the Continentals back (at least the Continentals with less than 50k miles). The Michelins ride OK and stay balanced, but they are noisy as heck - much noisier than the noisy Continentals I replaced and seem to have worse wet traction (just a feeling, no numbers to back it up).

My 2004 Thunderbird came with Michelins from Ford and the tires suck. I cannot keep them balanced and they appear to me to be gripless.

I also have a 2003 Saturn Vue with Bridgestone tires. These tires are much better than my other tires. Even at 37,000 miles they aren't noisy and I have only had to have them balanced once (they seem to stay balanced). To bad they are from Bridgestone / Firestone.

I do have an F150 with 8 year old Michelin LTX tires and those tires seem to be just fine (well except for the one I just replaced because I put a spike through the tread).

The last set of new BF Goodrich tires I had on an older Expedition (now long gone) were horrible.

I also bought a set of Michelin Pilot Sports for a Mustang GT I no longer own - they were not horrible, but at best they were no better than the Goodyear's that came on the car and they were certainly more expensive.

And finally, for those that can stand Consumer Reports, Michelins have not exactly shined in CR's recent tire comparisons. For instance the Cross Terrains like the ones I now have on my Expedition were rated 19 out of 22 in a November 2004 CR test (the Continentals that came on the vehicle were rated 20...). On the other hand Tire Rack Customers rank the Cross Terrains pretty well (5 out of 62), but then the people doing the ranking might be like me - Michelin drones.

So I guess the question is - Are Michelin still my best non-brainer option for tires, or should I look elsewhere? And if I look elsewhere for my next tire purchase (probably new tires for the Thunderbird), where should I look? I will not buy Firestone tires (and because of guilt by association - no Bridgestones either) no matter what rating may say (burn me once, shame on you, burn me three or four times, damn I must be stupid).

Ed

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C. E. White
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I've been driving Goodyears for a lot of years now and haven't been disappointed once. I'm impressed by the TripleTreds on my '91 Grand Marquis.

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clifto
[Contis] were OK for the first 50,000 miles, but began to get noisy

Somewhere around 40 or 50 thousand I start to wonder about the number of potholes and pieces of road debris my tires have slammed through, anyway. (Back when I did some off-roading I worried even earlier, though freeways might be worse since the obstacles have squarer edges and you're hitting them much harder.) This limits my desire to pay extra for a tire that promises extreme life in a treadwear sense.

I wonder if any testing agency has published "autopsy reports" on tires at various stages of a real-time or accelerated wear cycle that includes such forms of violence. It'd be interesting to see either cross sections or x-rays that show what is going on inside your tires as they get experienced.

--Joe

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Ad absurdum per aspera

I have had nothing but Michelin for many years. My most recent set now have about 60,000 miles and still have decent tread left. They have also been very good in rain. We dont get much snow and ice here in Texas, so I can't speak to their performance under those conditions.

I have never had a complaint about the tires themselves. Never any out of round or balance problems.

Still, things can change. There are some very good Japanese tires now, and if I decided to change, I would review them carefully to be sure that I am still getting the quality and performance I want.

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<HLS

Sounds like a good plan. But what do you use for your source of information? I really don't trust Consumer Reports (I clearly have different agenda than CR when it comes to most things, particularly automitive related items). The Tire Rack ratings are interesting, but it seems to me that the ratings are little more than personal opinion based on a limited frame of reference (how many people actually have driven more than a couple of the tires in any category)?

One more thought comes to mind. Maybe Michelin tires are as good as they ever were and it is the roads that are crap. It seems like the roads around here are much worse than even 5 years ago.

Ed

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C. E. White

information?

I have researched tires on a lot of different sites, including the Tire Rack.

Like you, CR doesn't assure me with its credibility.

I talk to the people at Discount Tires and ask their opinions, but don't take their recommendations as gospel. Have a local tire dealer here whom I know personally, and usually get good feedback from him. He hears all the complaints, comebacks, etc.

If I had to make the decision tomorrow, I would go straight back to Michelin, without hesitation. (And hope I am not sorry later.)

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<HLS

I have a 2002 Escape that also came with Continentals, and mine were so stiff-riding, noisy, and tractionless after 25,000 miles that I started looking around for a suitable replacement. I first considered the Michelin Cross Terrain SUV's, but the local shops didn't have any in stock, but could order them at what I thought was an exorbitant price ($180 each!). I did some "comparison" shopping through user reviews at Tire Rack and other on-line places and decided to go with the Firestone Destination LE's. They were less than 1/2 the price of the Mickey's, so I thought I'd give them a try. Plus, they had a 30 day "if you don't like 'em, we'll take 'em back" policy at the place I bought them. I have ~6,000 miles on them and I think they're great. They're quiet on all kinds of road, grip like glue even in the rain, and give a noticeably more comfortable ride than the Continentals I replaced.

Happy with my 'stones, SC Tom

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SC Tom

I'd like to give FIrestones another try but I think I'll have to wait for a lot more positive feedback. I have a long history of bad FIrestones -

- Grand Prix Radials (Private Label Firestone 500's) on a Datsun 280Z - Seperated belt. Recalled after I had dumped them.

- Firestone 721 Radials on Ford Fairmont - recalled but they were so horrible I had already replaced them before they had 15,000 miles

- European Firestones on an Audi Coupe - Sidewall blew out on one for no apparent reason (replaced under warranty). The d#$@ tires picked up nails like a magnet.

- Firestone tires on an F150 - another set of nail magnets. I replaced them before 15,000 miles

- Firestone Wilderness ATs on a Ford Ranger - recalled, but all four had already been replaced (again before 15,000 miles. 3 of the 4 actually had the tread split (not seperate) in the middle of the tire. They just could not handle gravel roads.

- Bridgestones on a Mazada 626 - rode like iron, wore like peanut butter, griped like leather soles on glare ice. At least they didn't last very long.

- Bridgestones on a Saturn Vue - good tires. I would consider buying them again

1 for 7 is not good odds. Maybe if I see more positive feedback like yours, I'll consider Firestones again. I wold like to support a company that actully has a factory in my home state (Firestone has a tire plant near Wilson, NC).

Ed

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Ed White

Well wouldn't you know it...after asking about tires I suddenly find that I need a set for my Vue. The Vue tires are a somewhat odd size - 235/65-16. My options are limited

Avon CR227 Avon CR227 Bridgestone Turanza EL42 Goodyear Eagle GA Goodyear Eagle GA Michelin Energy LX4 Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 Avon Ranger TSE Bridgestone Dueler H/T D684 Bridgestone Dueler H/T D684 II Bridgestone Dueler H/T D684 II

The vehicle came with Bridgestones and I have no complaints about them. However, the Michelins are cheaper if I get them from Tire Rack, The Goodyears are hideously expensive, so they aren't an option. I've never heard of Avon tires and hesitate to take a chance on them. That only leaves the Michelins and the Bridgestones. Any thoughts on which would be best? In the Tire Rack Ratings, the Michelins are the best (and the cheapest). So is the decision really as simple as it seems?

Ed

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C. E. White

You could go with a 235/70-16, I bet that size will give you ALOT more options. And, its just slightly taller.

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Shoe Salesman

Well after checking local prices, going with the 235/65-16 Michelins LX4s from Tire Rack was a no-brainer. Michelins from Tire Rack including shipping are $312. They'll ship them directly to a local installer, who will put them on for another $44.Total cost $356. A local retail store's out the door price for 4 Michelin of the same size and type was $710 (i.e., twice as much). Next best local option was 4 BFGs 235/70-16s from Sam's Club, but that would have been $515. What I don't understand is that the store that wanted $710 is always very busy. I've used them in the past to have tires repaired and balanced and they are nice guys. I just can't imagine paying them twice as much.

Ed

Ed

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C. E. White

You may want to consider plus sizing to give you more options.

Here is a link to what different sizes will do to your speedometer.

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Sarge

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Sarge

No, I'd really rather buy locally , but not a twice the cost.

Actually I tried four different local places. I usually use Sam's Club. They could not order a tire that they were also willing to install on my Vue. They would order me four tires of a slightly different size, but since they were not listed for the vehicle, they would not install them. And even then they were $30 more per tire than TireRack (for a lower quality tire in my opinion).

I am only paying $312 for four Michelin 235/65R16 Tires including shipping and handling. $78 a tire. None of the local stores that handled Michelin were even close. Plus I don't have to pay sales tax on a tire coming from Delaware (at least not yet). In NC this would have been another $5.50 per tire even if they only cost $78.

2 Days for delivery in my case (NC).

They are shipping directly to the installer, so I don't have to me home. But even if I did have them ship them to my home address, I'd just tell UPS to hold for pick-up. There warehouse is 2 miles from where I live.

The installer keeps them ($1 per tire). However, as an individual I could take them to the county dump for free.

To the dump with them, if necessary, which it is not.

My installer only charges $1 per tire for disposal.

Well I agree with you if it is only $2 per tire. In fact, if Sam's Club could have installed the tires, I would have been willing to pay $12 more per tire (for Road Hazard and free rotate and balance). However, in my case the savings was over $75 per tire compared to local prices for the exact same tires. I know this was a special deal, since TireRack had the Michelins at an incredibly low price, but that seems to happen regularly.

Regards,

Ed White

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C. E. White

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