Re: GM V6 Engine Warning - True Sad Story (Long)

I think theres a regulation, but i cant remember. That cars need to last atleast 10 years. And they change the standards. I think it is more of the emissions on the car needs to last that long for the EPA to be happy.

I got 3 vw bugs(vintage) not the ghey ass crap that they drive now. fiero, tbird and couple motorcycles. I will be buying more cars so dont judge me by my very small collection. i still want my 57 bel air, few 60s and 70s muscle cars. And a few more

There are some people that are not real car people. Ive met a few of them saying why do you own junk. Their thing is to buy a new car every 2 or 3 years. I guess this is good for the manufacturers. There has been a thing that used car dealers are losing business with all the buy a new car on lease and payment plans etc... Making it more affordable these days.

The nightmare for the car euthusiast is that all the cars will be crushed a lot earlier. Making parts at the junkyard hard to get. And the government wanting to elminate pick a part yards. A great place to get parts that the dealer no longer makes or costs as much as the used car.

I dont think i like any of the cars of today besides something thats very eye appealing. vette viper some lincolns, cadillac but who knows if these will be the classics 40 years from now. Hopefully it wont be an escort.

If your wife says throw that vintage car out, dont do it. Keep it in your garage till another car lover comes along and buys it, and keeps it in his garage for another 10 years.

IMO the UAW was the demise of the American auto industry. Detroit had to offset higher wages, benefits and perks with cheapness. The UAW hounded the industry out of the country. The greed of the UAW forced makers to condense and constantly redesign in order to cut jobs it couldn't afford. I was praying during the GM walkouts that they would shut the doors and cancel the model year and show them who has who by the balls. The Japs were just loving that. We owe the Jap success to the UAW and the blind fools who don't know how good they had it, or understand that corporate profitability means job security. I'm sure there are many out of work auto workers who are wondering if they bit the hand that fed them. Meanwhile the 2nd largest investment for a family(next to the house) has become disposable income.You won't catch me buying a new car.

"Blame the workers" was the standard explanation back in the 80's when the Japanese were gaining market share, due IMHO to better reliability and gas mileage.

Then NUMMI came along, building the Corolla rebadged as a Chevy Nova. It turned out that, although being built in California by American union workers, it was just as reliable as the Corolla.

I remember an assembly worker at the time marveling at the design of the car, saying it was so well designed that it was impossible to make a mistake putting it together. It seems that it was "design for reliability", not the workers, that makes the difference.

I just drove one to work this AM. ('62 Studebaker Lark) you know what? it's a better driving car than my landlady's '8(mumble) Olds that I drove last night. Now *THAT'S* sad.

nate

My '73 Plymouth drives much better than any rental I've had, and I drive a lot of rental cars (Avis- GM and Toyota). Its not as quiet and not as fuel-efficient, but those are about the only shortcomings. Thats also why I've kept it for 20+ years and 420,000+ miles....

Hopefully, GM will one day WAKE UP and start taking care of its customers. | You have to question the wisdom of a company when it is willing to give | $4000 incentive to sell a vehicle but unwilling to spend a single penny to | retain a faithful customer. Furthermore, given the extent of the problem, | any responsible company would have recalled these engines already | | TRUE story but SAD to see a great company seeking its own destruction. |

The above is such a wise and true statement.

MAke it a new discussion thread?

GM agrees with you. They put Honda V-6's in the Saturn SUV.

"GRL" wrote

They did? What year was that?

Ian

Maybe he was thinking of the Isuzu with the GM 2.8?

JazzMan

The 2004 Saturn Vue now has a Honda V-6 engine, if you buy the 6 cylinder option. And the 4 cylinder engine is the GM corp. 2.2 engine. No more Saturn engines for now.

Honda is said to be getting Isuzu diesel engines out of the deal.

????????

Weird, my 1990 Grand-Am with the quad-4 engine runs like a charm (no leaks or burns) but my buddy's 1990 Honda Accord has been burning oil for the past

Dan

The 2004 Saturn Vue has a Honda V6 in it.

Nope, it's a Honda V6 in the 2004 Vue

Are these the same engines

As for the whole who leaks/burns oil issue. I've got a '95 Integra GS-R which uses a fair bit of oil at 130K miles. Not blue smoke, and not a drop on the ground. My dad's '96 Buick Regal uses a lot of oil and leaves a lot. I've done all the changes for him, and I always notice a crusty mess of caked on dirt/oil around the oil pan when I change the oil.

Whoops - forgot my original question.

Is this the V6 that turns the way that most engines do? I seem to recall that Honda makes engines that rotate in the opposite direction compared to the vast majority of engines out there. I heard they developed one to be compatible, and that they could sell outside of Honda.

"ben@" wrote

Interesting, the 2004 manual for the VUE does show a 3.5 engine. It doesn't specifically say that it's made by Honda, but it certainly doesn't look like anything that GM makes or uses. Certainly looks bad for GM when they have to pull their "world" v-6 engine and use a Honda engine.

Ian

"y_p_w" wrote

Thanks for the links. Any engine is better then the "Opel derived" v-6 piece of s*it.

Ian

Maybe even a Honda engine... :-p