Fords profit!

This is a Toyota NG so naturally loyalist will believe a recall by Toyota is a good thing, from anybody else it's a bad thing.

However your premise is flawed, that is not what happened in the Ford Firestone saga. Ford was on top of the Firestone problem lone before Firestone admitted there was a problem. Do a bit of research before you chose to comment on a subset, WBMA

mike

Simple shop rates at Toyota and Lexus dealerships are much higher than Ford and Lincoln dealership shop rates, part prices are lower as well. ;)

mike

Okay, then at least tell them you noticed a sulfury batch, and make sure that word gets passed, since they can't detect a pattern and solve the problem if they don't even know they *have* a problem.

When the word gets to the right people in the pipeline company's front office I'll bet a big lightbulb goes on...

"Oh yeah! I bet I know where the sulfur got in - {Nathan in Sales} accepted that odd batch of regular last month at the {Biloxi Port} from {Jose's Discount Gas}. They bought some gas on the spot market that was refined in {Bahrain), and they swore up and down it met all the federal specs... They won't be shipping anything through our pipeline again without our lab checking it first."

(Change the variables inside the {curly brackets} to reflect the proper guilty parties.)

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"Bruce L. Bergman" .. "Wickeddoll®" :

Ah - that makes sense.

:-)

Natalie

80% less than Toyota, and once sales of assets and one-time cost reductions are removed, Ford made 90% less than Toyota. Cutting jobs and costs go only so far, and eventually Ford will have to bring out more competition beaters to increase sales.

Ford has been using lean manufacturing methods for decades and has good if not spectacular quality (but a few more Fusions and they will), the plane industry isn't very similar to autos in regards to manufacturing, styling (none for planes), and sales.

Guess which automaker Toyota Motor Corp's founder, Kiichiro Toyoda, visited to learn how to make cars?

Fortunately, the odor is usually not consistent and comes and goes. Hopefully, it will go more often for you :-)

Better do a bit of research if that is what you believe. Ford has a bunch of cars that already have beaten imports, in numerous consumer surveys over the past two years. When it come to trucks there is no contest as to who makes the best trucks.

mike

I didn't know that cars were considered clothing, but...

I said that only ugly people _worry_ about the looks of their car, and I have seen good-looking people drive American (ugly) cars

They are in the US.

It's long been said that Americans "wear" cars. You've NEVER heard of someone, especially a woman, asking "how do I look in this car?"

I've heard them say things like that, but I never heard one ask if their car made them look fat LOL

mike

Hey Barry...

...c'mere...

*fwap*

Natalie

Must've struck a nerve on that one.

That's because you got out of the retail business before the Smart Cars went on sale in the U.S. LOL

Are they slanted, or have they simply found that Toyotas have tended to test out better than most other brands? If they have a bias in favor of Toyota, how do you explain their dislike of the Yaris or why they once wrote on a cover several years ago, "Ford Beats Toyota"?

Are they slanted, or have they simply found that Toyotas have tended to test out better than most other brands? If they have a bias in favor of Toyota, how do you explain their dislike of the Yaris or why they once wrote on a cover several years ago, "Ford Beats Toyota"?

LMC

Of course I think Toyotas (economy-level ones, anyway) are superior to domestics cars of the same class, but there is the danger of complacency. Look at how domestics have lost the once-solid reputation they had.

All I'm saying is that even though I think Toyota's vehicles are mostly superior to domestic right now, they still lag in the large vehicle market in some respects, and if they get too smug, they'll end up the way domestic cars are viewed now.

It's never good to rest on your laurels, which is a very painful lesson the Big Three are now experiencing.

Natalie

It's not merely my belief that Ford is 80% less profitable than Toyota.

Which Fords are they? I haven't seen any.

There is. See September 2007 Consumer Reports:

#1: Toyota Tundra #2: Chevy Silverado #3: Ford F-150 #4: Dodge Ram 1500

The ford fusion has had excellent reviews. I believe the focus has had them as well.

The reviews that really count, sales, have been ok, with the Focus and Fusion both in the top 10 best selling models. However, the Camry, Concord, Civic and Corolla all outsell them.

Jeff