Is GM's green tech better than Toyota's?

The average MPG for vehicles sold by Honda in the US is higher than the average sold by Toyota or any other car maker.

In other words, it takes 3 companies (Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz were part of the same company in 2006) to compete against Toyota.

Gee, Business Week better get it facts straight.

Jeff

Is it safe to say that they can make a car with the speed and handling of a BMW, looks and elegance of a Mercedes-Benz, Chrysler lifetime power train warranty with a GM pricetag?... Not

No one else does, either.

Jeff

Maybe I'm reading old and wrong news?? Both reports below mentioned the GM hybrids buses are no better.

Seattle Metro's GM-Allison diesel parallel-hybrid buses are falling far short of the promised fuel savings of 40%--in some cases, delivering worse mileage than the older (and dirtier) dual-mode Breda buses they replaced, according to a report in the Seattle Post Intelligencer.

Expensive new hybrid diesel-electric buses that were portrayed by King County Metro as "green" heroes that would use up to 40 percent less fuel than existing buses have fallen far short of that promise.

the more cooks, the worse potage, too many cooks spoil the broth

I love how you Toyota-nuts can turn anything around to the way you want it.

By more cooks you mean GM, Chrysler, BMW and Mercedes cooking a hybrid broth. They already have left a bad taste on my mouth

Gee, why don't show what I said is incorrect?

Did you notice I said that Honda is the most efficient car company, not Toyota?

Jeff

You said " it takes 3 companies (Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz were part of the same company in 2006) to compete against Toyota". The truth is, those companies want GM's technology more then Toyota's. Get it?

As far as I can recall, that information is also correct, as GM has more

Or GM is willing to sell it for less than Toyota.

As you point out, it is correct. The average MPG of all the cars that Honda sells is higher than the average of any other manufacturer. Please note, this is based on what consumers are actually buying, not what vehicles the auto makers are offering.

You can see that Toyota and Honda are neck and neck with Toyota's cars being a bit more fuel efficient than Honda's. However, Honda sells a higher proportion of trucks, making Honda, according to Honda's advertising, more fuel efficient, on average, than any other automaker that sells in the US.

So while GM offers a lot of cars that get more than 30 MPG highway than anyone else, Honda and Toyota still sell more of them. Oh, and a lot of Hondas and Toyotas get more than 30 MPG *city*. No Ford or GM cars do.

Jeff

Like I said, you Toy nuts will turn anything around to suit your needs.

Aww, you caught a spelling mistake, and had to make an ass of yourself pointing it out. I didn't point it out when you did it...

So what I said was correct. Gotcha.

You mean from those 100 horse-power lawnmower engines? Congratulations. You may get 30MPG in the city, but my car can get up to 60MPH in less the 20 minutes.

Really? What did you spell wrong?

IMHO, I am not the one making an ass of myself.

No you weren't. Even though GM offers more cars that get 30 MPG highway, Honda and Toyota sell a higher proportion of them. The average car sold by both Honda and Toyota is more fuel efficient than the average sold by any other car maker in the US.

And the average light truck sold by Honda and Toyota are more fuel efficient than the average truck sold by any American car maker.

Gee, I have never seen a 100 HP lawnmower. Most riding mowers have engines that generate less than 20 HP.

And to get a tractor with a 100-HP engine, you need to get a commercial grade tractor. And the biggest engine John Deere sells in a utility tractor is 99 HP.

The Honda Civic 1800 cc engine propels that car from 0 to 60 MPH in 7.7 sec.

The engine generates 140 HP and 128 lb-ft of torque.

And it gets 30 MPG. CITY.

Gee, performance and great mileage. GM doesn't deliver that.

Jeff

I meant to put "INcorrect", and you damned well know it.

Oh, but you are.

This is what I said: "GM has more 30MPG or higher vehicles then any of the others."

Here is what you said: "GM offers a lot of cars that get more than 30 MPG highway than anyone else."

Regardless of which models sell more, my statement was correct.

My mistake. I clearly gave Toy and Honda too much credit. Perhaps my problem was they *sound* like lawnmower engines...

Yawn. You know what Jeff? You keep your foreign car, that you likely paid far too much for. I will keep supporting my town by buying domestic. There's no sense arguing with you. Like I said twice, you will twist any sentence to make it sound as if Toy or Honda is better then GM. If that's how you feel, fine with me. Just don't complain when your Toy breaks down and you have to pay twice what you would on a domestic. Oh, and you know something GM does have? Looks. Honda builds some of the ugliest looking cars I have ever seen. Even when they steal an idea from GM (Ridgeline), they screw it up.

Well, I didn't know what you meant. I don't try to read minds, especially ones that really empty.

Well, we have to disagree on this.

Yet, your statement was irrelevant, because GM is not selling enough of the cars to increase its CAFE. People who want fuel efficient cars are more likely to turn to Toyota and Honda than GM or Ford.

Really? I can clearly tell the difference between the sound of a lawn mower and a Toyota or a Honda.

Yawn. Good comeback.

Really? A Ford Contour is not a foreign car. I don't have own a Toyota or Honda to realize that they are good cars with good performance and mileage.

If that's what you think.

It is hard to argue with someone else when the other person is correct.

Let's see. You talked about 100 HP lawnmower engines, but no lawnmower that John Deere makes has a 100 HP engine (99 HP on some tractors). Then you brought up the sound of the engine. Gee, what a comeback. While the Honda Civic has a smaller engine that produces less horsepower and torque, it gets better fuel mileage than the Chevy Malibu, with better performance.

Gee, the Chevy Malibu, which gets to 60 MPH in 9.3 sec and gets 30 MPG highway, performs worse than Honda Civic.

When you make statements that are inconsistent with the facts, and I point that out, I am not twisting your sentences. I am indicating the facts.

That's your opinion. There's no question that the Malibu is a beautiful looking car. And so are a lot of other Michigan 3 cars and trucks. I think the Ridgeline is a great-looking vehicle, and if I were in the market for a truck, that would be on my short list.

I am just pointing out the facts that Honda and Toyota cars and trucks, based on what is actually sold, are more fuel efficient, on average, than the Michigan 3. And the Malibu, one of the vehicles that GM makes that gets 30 MPG highway performs less well than the Civic, which gets

If you want to explain how this is twisting your sentences, go ahead.

PS, if you want to say that it is not fair to compare the Chevy Malibu to the Honda Civic, the Honda Accord gets slightly better mileage and still has better performance than the Chevy Malibu.

"My Kingdom for a Malibu"

"It's yet another example of GM's mindless arrogance. In fact, Chevy's first hit in years is already in deep trouble"

"Cannibalization is one of GM's less-discussed afflictions. For example, the domestic automaker basks in the success of its Lambda- platformed crossovers. Yet many if not most of these sales came straight out of the hide of their more profitable SUV business."

Nice award, I guess I'll be waiting for actual consumer reviews soon.