US automaker market share below 50%, Toyota auto sales down, too

As has been the case for a while, more consumers (excluding rental and fleet sales) bought import brand vehicles than American-brand vehicles in July (note to Mike: Your statement that more buy American cars than imports has been wrong for a while). For the first time ever, including rental and fleet sale, more import brand vehicles were sold than American vehicles.

Ford, GM and Chrysler all sold fewer vehicles this year in July than last.

Toyota and Honda each sold fewer cars, too, about 7% fewer.

I guess the high fuel prices and the mortgage situation are at least partly to blame.

Jeff

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"Jeff"

Yeah, in a bad economy, you don't blow money on a new car, unless you absolutely *have* to get one. At least, most of us don't.

Natalie

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Wickeddoll®

That should be true in a good economy, too. It is for me.

Jeff

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Jeff

Have you met Hachi?

:-P

Natalie

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Wickeddoll®

A while back the GM and Ford said they were dropping the rental car sales programs. They were selling them with big discounts to the rental companies and then having to compete with low mileage used cars of their own brand when trying to sell new cars to higher profit customers.

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Moe

Nearly half of Malibus and Impalas are still going to fleet sales. GM is working to reduce that but it's hard to reduce the relative proportion of fleet sales when your retail sales are falling, too.

And reducing fleet sales is a two-edged sword. My b-i-l would never have considered a Hyundai but they are selling into rental fleets, he rented a Sonata and discovered that it's a pretty nice car. If he'd rented an Impala, Hyundai couldn't have made this impression.

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DH

Where did you come up with that goofy opinion? LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

I wonder were our friend Natalie got the idea the economy is "bad," from the DNC or from one the NGs goofy lefty kooks like Joe or DIZZY? LOL

If one does a search they will discover, not only is the US economy currently the greatest in our history, it is better than any other economy in the world today.

mike

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Mike Hunter

You bet. If I hadn't rented a PT Cruiser last year, I'd have thought it was a cute little car and perhaps worthy of purchase. I rented one for a week and now you couldn't give me one of them. Just the reverse side of the coin - If I hadn't rented a Saturn Ion last month, I'd never have given it a second thought ....but although I'm not ready to buy a car, I'd certainly recommend to a friend that he or she look into Saturn before buying a car.

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mack

Why exclude rental and fleet sales? Import brands sell to rental companies and fleets as well. It is just that they are not nearly as successful at doing so LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

From the decreased auto sales, decreased home sales, increased gas prices. The economy is not bad for everyone, but for a lot of people, it is.

Yet, for a lot of people who work full time, like those in or below the middle class, they are make about the same they did before. You know, the people who tend to fight for the country in the military or are more likely to have sons and daughters in Iraq. But for the richest people, like the richest 1%, the economy has never been better.

Now, please describe in what way the economy is better? In terms of health care dollars wasted per capita? Per capita income? Percent of people without health insurance?

Jeff

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Jeff

This is the original message:

As has been the case for a while, more consumers (excluding rental and fleet sales) bought import brand vehicles than American-brand vehicles in July (note to Mike: Your statement that more buy American cars than imports has been wrong for a while). For the first time ever, including rental and fleet sale, more import brand vehicles were sold than American vehicles.

Ford, GM and Chrysler all sold fewer vehicles this year in July than last.

Toyota and Honda each sold fewer cars, too, about 7% fewer.

I guess the high fuel prices and the mortgage situation are at least partly to blame.

Jeff

Notice how I mentioned both the sales without *and* with the fleet and rental sales? Notice how you deleted the part about rental sales in message when you replied? Stop being intellectually dishonest.

The reason why I mentioned both is that it is the consumer who has been choosing more import brand vehicles for a long while now. I think that sales without fleet and rental sales is better indication of what the consumer wants compared to the sales with fleet and rental sales.

Jeff

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Jeff

I am not sure why the poster who changed the subject did so, considering that the big three sales fell by a much bigger percentage and the Tundra sales have more than doubled compared to last year.

He can't even spell the name of the company or the name of truck.

what an ....

Jeff

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Jeff

Not the greatest in history (19th century), not best in the world (China - incomes doubling every 7 years).

Where do you get your misinformation?

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manny

A few years ago I rented a FWD Taurus, and to my surprise it had little room in the front, less than even my much smaller Escort. Ford had to be completely out of touch with reality to design a front passenger area that was so cramped.

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larry moe 'n curly

Toyota loyalist like to cross post news about GM all over the auto NGs, but even if Tundra sales doubled, double meager is still meager.

GM may be down however they still sell more vehicles than Toyota, GM will still sell more trucks in a few month than Toyota will sell Tundra's in a year, so what is there to gloat about?

mike

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Mike Hunter

I am not a Toyota loyalist. Nor am I crossposting. You are responding to the wrong message.

In your opinion, they're meager. They are getting a foothold in the market. A big foothold.

Apparently, they are neck and neck around the world. The US is not the only auto market.

I don't see anyone gloating.

Just reporting the facts.

If you want to see me gloat, wait until the ExxonMobil quarterly report comes out in a few months.

Jeff

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Jeff

Get real. Throughout recorded history people that "earn more" will always have more, pay more taxes and give more to others, than those the "earn less."

Those that earn less will also have less, pay fewer or no taxes, yet get more freebees from the government. Those that are truly desperate get checks from the government and free Medicare. You however are free to believe whatever you chose.

When I was a young kid our family was dirt poor Every thing we had, we had to work to get. Walk down the street today and you will see the kids of those folks that do not work or have low paying jobs wearing gold ear rings, $100 sneakers and talking on cell phones all day. Are they the ones without health insurance you are referencing? ;)

mike

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Mike Hunter

What is the color of the sky in your world? What is the average income in China, $600 a year? How do you compare your car to their bicycle? LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

Where do you come up with this goofy stuff all the time? LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

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