Based upon what I have read in car magazines over the past several years,
it became obvious to me that GM and Ford do a terrible job related to
making cars but do a very great job in making trucks. Honda and Toyota
make great cars. The Accord or the Camry are the two best selling cars in
the world and usually come in as first or second in Car and Driver
Magazine's "Best 10 Cars" yearly contest. That's the reason GM may
eventually go out of business.
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On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:04:38 -0800, email@example.com (Jason) wrote:
Or the big three are perceived as better due to blind flag-waving
NASCAR Dad brand loyalty, or made something the others didn't. For
instance, Toyota and Nissan don't make anything like the F250 or 3500
dualie, yet... <G>
Years ago, I switched my small business commercial vehicles from Ford
E350 cube vans to Mitsubishi diesel cabovers with 14' boxes. The
E350s were total loads of manure in every respect compared to the
Mitsubishi's. Look what Sprinters, a Euro design, are doing to the
contractor van market.
Compare the Ford Ranger and the S10 to Toyota and Nissan small trucks.
Drive a Trail Blazer, then for drive a 4Runner or Pathfinder.
Ride in a loaded Tahoe, then take out a loaded Sequoia or Land Cruiser
(if it's an older Tahoe).
Nissan sold plenty of Titans and Armadas. Wasn't the Titan the
vehicle that the GM CEO dragged his team over to inspect?
Let's see how the new Tundra does once it's out...
Perceived by you perhaps. The proof of what buyers prefer is in the total
annual sales figures. No owners are more fanatical than Toyota owners.
They are under the delusion that their vehicles will never break down.
Japanese trucks, all of them, are an 'also ran' when it comes to truck
sales. The three best selling vehicles in the US are Ford, GM and Dodge
full size trucks. The GM and Ford trucks alone sell more than all of the
cars and trucks that Toyota sells combined. The F150 alone sells at a rate
more than twice that of Toyotas best seller, the Camry LOL
Hey Mike, Toyota owners are not under the "delusion" that their Toyotas will
never break down. They are under the accurate impression (usually from
personal experience) that their vehicles will break down less to a lot less
than any other brand.
It is still an illusion since it is not true. Look at any survey of the
auto indistry. The failure rate is around 2% for ALL manufactues, within
the first five years or 75K, which means 98% of all the others among them
will not have a failure. EVERY manufacture makes some that are not up to
snuff. That is why they all have a warranty even RR. ;)
What you write is simply not true. In fact it is utterly absurd. I've
pointed this out to you in the past and I wish you would make an effort to
understand it. Go look in the Consumer Reports owner surveys and you will
find that, for example, the failure (problem) rate for a five year old Lexus
(that is, in it's fifth year) is about 22 failures per 100 vehicles (a Lexus
owner has a 1 in 5 chance of having a problem in year 5, on average). That
is for just year 5, not a total of 5 years. Very different. For Mercedes
Benz and Cadillac the failure rate is about 105 failures per 100 vehicles.
The Merc and caddy owner has a 1 in 1 chance of having a problem during year
5, on average. Pretty bad for high priced spreads. The overall average
failure rate for all cars during year five is about 75 failures per 100
vehicles. So the Lexus guy is much better off than the average, while the
Caddy and Merc owners are significantly more likely to have trouble.
How you got a failure rate of 2% in five years is a profound mystery and
something that is simply unbelievable. Even if you claimed it was a 2%
annual failure rate that is still ridiculously low. Even Japanese cars do
not do that well. My GM Yukon XL had at least five failures in five years,
or a 100% chance of a single failure each year, on average. (Pretty close to
what CR reports for year 5, actually.)
No wonder you are confused, you need to go back to mathematics 101 and learn
what is the AVERAGE failure rate when a survey shows the number of failures
reported for all vehicles was 133 per 100 vehicles LOL
The devil is in the details Charles. The word "failure" is where Mike tends
to leverage his position. His leaky intake gaskets didn't cause him to be
stranded without a car, so it wasn't a failure. Likewise with the wheel
bearings that wore out in less than 40,000 miles. Or the heater control
resistor pack. He either drives through the problems, never having them
fixed, or he gets rid of the car and lets the new owner deal with it. He's
already told us how many cars he's owned and how often he turns them over so
it only stands to reason that he's never "experienced" the "failures".
What make you believe the 2% failure rate is my opinion? What would make
you think it applies to every single copy of any model? It is the RATE of
failures, per hundred vehicles, as indicated in most every survey reported
in automotive industry publications Those that take surveys never
quantify problems in any event. If one wants to know the severity of type
of the failures you need to pay them a fee to get that detailed information.
The majority of my vehicles are 'turned over,' as you call it, to members of
my family or sold to friends. Most accumulate a lot of mileage before
they are sold off again.
Are you that slow? ALL Toyotas Matrix, Celica, Prius, Corolla, etc have the
Toyota name on car. "GM" does not appear on their cars, they have the
division name on the car. Ever hear of a GM Malibu or a GM LeSabre?
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