Nice but wrong generalization. I'm a teen and I want a Camry. I don't need
something sporty. I want something that's reliable that I don't have to fix
all the time - my current car, a 1988 Pontiac 6000 is fine with me except
that I hate it because of the problems I've got with it. (Granted Pontiac
6000's are GENERALLY old people's cars as well.) I don't mind the looks of
the Pontiac, just the poor reliability I've had with it - primarily due to
its age and that it's a GM. You may have a sporty car that goes 160mph, but
if I have my Camry that starts and the sporty car doesn't, I'll zip right on
by that fast sports car.
Honestly, I'd go for a Corolla. Cheaper gas and maintenance, big enough
that they can take several passengers if needed, not big enough to be
comfortable for lots of passengers which would make them always be the
group taxi driver.
You may want to check with your insurance company before deciding. I
found the Civic/Corolla class cars were significantly more expensive to
insure than Accord/Camry if a teen is the principal driver.
Interestingly, the Accord EX was cheaper to insure than the LX or DX.
1998 was the first year that de-powered airbags were mandatory - a
factor if your teen is short and sits up close to the wheel.
Maintenance costs for any of these cars with 4 cylinder engines is the
same as is reliability.
However, as others have noted, if you expect the car to last thru high
school and college, you'd be better off making them pay for a major
portion of the car if not the entire car. (Not all colleges permit
freshman to have cars on campus and some schools require on-campus
housing for freshmen.) If you feel compelled to buy them a car make it
a Buick LeSabre and see how fast they get to work earning the money to
buy something they want to be seen driving.
My current Pontiac 6000 lacks all three of those - never have been in a
wreck yet two years later. Drive slower than most people, but that's okay -
they'll have the tickets and more expensive insurance.
If you invent a domain name trying to foil spammers, just in case it
actually exists end it with the top-level-domain of (foobar).invalid -
in your case I'd say that PatheticBell.invalid has been accurate for
many years... :-)
That will flag it for the clueful mailing software along the route
to send all .invalid TLD addresses it gets straight to dev.null which
is AKA the trashcan or "the bit bucket".
Or do as Forte does - they own 4ax.com, it's a perfectly valid
domain - but it deliberately doesn't have a mail-server or web-server
attached. It just exists.
The machine that spots this mail going nowhere can also return the
E-mail to the sender as undeliverable if the ISP wants to - but even
that has been turned off because of abuse. There are spammers out
there spoofing the From: address of their intended target and giving a
deliberately invalid To: address, hoping to get their spam past the
ISP filters to the targeted address as a 'bounced message'.
The only way they can make it work is to send from a 'throw-away'
pacbell.net address - and the second the sysadmin spots it, they can
trace it right back and kill the account.
The scum go to a lot of trouble trying to get past the filters - and
they think that will make us interested in what they have to say?
Then again, E-mail is cheap to send in mass quantities. If their
scam is profitable enough per sucker snared they can waste several
million attempts, as long as they get one or two people to bite. You
don't want to be that person, be related to that person, or know that
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
Either one is a good choice. I've had both and loved them both.
BUT! If the Honda does not have a chain, you will have to watch the timing
belt! Ifit breaks, Bye Bye engine!
If the Camry is a Twin Cam, Not to worry...all you'll be calling is a tow
If you limit it to Camry and Accord, most people will just say, "take your
pick." I don't know any unhappy Accord or Camry owners. Just shop around
and get the best deal on whichever you can. Get a 4-cylinder, of course.
However, if you ask, "what's best in such-and-such price range," you may get
some other suggestions you have not considered. I'd suggest you take a look
at the Mazdas and Mitsubishis because it looks like you can get something
newer with lower miles for the same $$ as a HonToy but I couldn't tell you
off the top of my head if they have really good safety and reliability
ratings or not and I do know one 626 owner who felt the dependability was
not up to snuff (that family drives Hondas, now). You should check Consumer
Reports on these. Mitsubishis aren't as common and the fuel economy doesn't
seem to be as good as the HonToys but if the car won't get a lot of miles,
fuel economy is not quite so big a deal. Friends that have Mitsubishis like
them and would be willing to buy another.
CR may point out some domestics that can be obtained at good prices, too.
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My Pontiac 6000 did its job for a first car - now it's time to move on. It
was front wheel drive, and I think in all the winter driving I did with it,
it only slid twice. It gets pretty good fuel economy overall, just that
it's getting very old with lots of problems that will eventually have to be
addressed. I don't like SUV's - they're harder to drive - especially on the
highway where they're more prone to wind. Also more likely for roll-overs.
Also, SUV's tend to be less reliable than cars, have higher maintenace
costs, cost more for insurance, and did I forget to mention the cost of gas?
You may be right for some reasons, but I guess I'm not an SUV person.
You know what? You're not the one that has to drive it. Ask them what they
would like, within reason. Help them make an informed decision and let them
decide if the gas is too much. You might be surprised to learn what seems
high to us means nothing to them. They are more likely to be concerned with
availability than price, or they might be environmentally conscience and
decide to go with a much smaller car. You have to remember what it was like
when you first started out. Immortal, live for ever, plenty of time to
reverse mistakes. It's actually fun to see them make mistakes. It makes you
look like a wise hero as it should.
Its the beginning of letting go. When they see you letting go they will
appreciate being treated as an adult than make poor attempts themselves at
how they think an adult interacts, which generally means being sarcastic and
OK, have I got you convinced to at least let them look at a 4X4? :)
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