Dealer Invoice ??

In the US - try edmunds.com

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After you find the dealer invoice, remember that dealers get holdback (sort of like a mail-in-rebate) of about 2% (depends on the manufacturer and how many cars the dealer buys), so the invoice is not what the dealer actually pays. However, don't expect to get a car below invoice very often on a popular Toyota model.

The places where you find the invoice price will probably tell you the exact holdback for Toyota.

If you are looking at their hybrid Camry, I would not be surprised if the dealer tacks on another $3000 over MSRP figuring it will be a hot seller and he can get more for it. Same scheme with the Prius

Last December, our Toyota dealer had 20 Prius's looking for buyers. My wife bought a Accord hybrid instead. Too bad. She could have sold the Prius at a nice profit now.

I have nothing against doing our part for the environment and stuff..., however are these hybrids really worth the extra buck when you consider the cost to change hose batteries 5 years down the line! Or just sell them for a profit to some unsuspecting person before that occurs?

Well, the change interval is closer to 10 years, but, yeah, the payback isn't there yet. Think of it as paying to help the automakers debug their new technology :-) . That said, I hope they get the bugs out soon -- I want an offroad-capable hybrid SUV (not that stupid Highland toy) -- love the torque curves of those electric motors!

just spoke to somebody that talked bout carsdirect.

he bought a new Mazda for like 4k below the MSRP

Right now there is a "new car premium" on the model. Not to mention problems like the new transmission skipping gears (like they are selling the beta-test version). Just wait towards the end of the year the dealer incentives will kick in and the price should be close to all the previous Camrys.

Give them some more time to work out the bugs and lower the price.

Tell us more about the new model and the transmission problems...and other problems...if any. ======================

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Is this in the Camry Hybrid model? I so, I thought that tranny was similar to their Synergy Drive unit in their Prius (no shifting of gears, more of a planetary gear arrangement).

B~

Strange.. I see a **LOT** of used prius for sale @ the dealership(northern NJ), Rockland NY) at least 7...On top of that there are about 4 or 5 new prius sitting in the lot forever. It is a god awful looking for one thing, and that's not just my own opinion.

I must agree with you Steve the Prius is a real head turnner. You are bound to look again but for the wrong reason!