New TSB on 8/2/07 for all Camry I4's (auto and manual)

FYI.. taken from another group.

New TSB on 8/2/07 for all Camry I4's (auto and manual)

TSB EG036-07 replaces old EG056-06 which is now obsolete.

Recalibrates ECM (PCM) Engine and Transmission.

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EdV
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I have had a 1995 4 since new. What effect has the new settings on the engine ?.

Is it worh checking the cost for Toyota to perform on mine

Johnny UK.

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JM

I doubt if it is for ALL Camry I4's. More likely, it is for all Camry I4's in a certain model year or production date range.

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Ray O

The 1995 uses the Aisin A-series transmission. The soft clutch material likes to dirty up the fluid, but it's otherwise a good transmission. I don't think the A-series is even programmable less a control unit swap. Probably no need for that.

The 2007 uses [insert lowest bidder here] U-series junk that can skip gears, and the only fix for that is to swap in a new transmission. Hesitation many reported may also be related to transmission programming problems. Let's see how this new TSB helps.

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johngdole

definitely a valid code had my 07 Camry updated today but have not seen a difference not that there was anything wrong in the first place. Just and oil change and I asked about the code.

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BigJim

Maybe better fuel economy, who knows. Now Toyota's Lexus line needs to deal with sudden acceleration. The ES350 being investigated by the Feds is the equivalent of the Camry V6.

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johngdole

They never though of turning OFF the ignition or putting the vehicle into neutral?

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sharx35

Why would you expect a driver, who does not have the presence of mind to step on the brake, to think to turn off the ignition or place the selector in neutral? LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

Another auto company, Jeep IIRC, had a problem with unintended acceleration. I believe the found is that the gas pedal was a few inches further to the left than they expected; they concluded that the drivers were stepping on the gas pedal by mistake.

So the drivers think they are stepping on the brakes. So if the drivers think they are stepping on the brakes already, stepping on the brakes, in the mind of the driver, is already being done.

Besides, the events may have happened to fast for them to step on the gas. Like the person in front of the restaurant who puts it in drive rather the reverse and turns it into a drive-in when he steps on the gas real hard to go backwards.

Jeff

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Jeff

No mater how one spins it, it is driver error, not a vehicle fault.

Any driver that places the selector in drive when they want to go backward should not be driving, period.

Any competent driver should KNOW that if one is pressing their foot down, and does not feel resistance and the car is going FASTER and not stopping, that they are stepping on the throttle not the brake LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

However, to design a vehicle with the pedals further to the left than people are used to is a design flaw. I am not saying that is the case with the Toyotae in question.

However, design flaw or not, it is still human error on the part of the driver.

Mistakes happen. If there rule were strictly followed, with other stupid things people do when driving, then none of us would ever have gotten licenses in the first place, because we all do stupid things when we learn to drive. Heck, if moving were a requirement for learning to drive, I would never have gotten started, because I learned on French car with a clutch and stalled the car more than a few times when I was starting off.

And a lot of people who do drive standards have a tendency to put the gear in first instead of reverse, because that was the way it was on the first few cars that they learned to drive.

If the car is five or ten feet in front of the soon-to-be drive-in and really pressed on the gas, by the time the driver has time to step on the brake, he might be next to the waiter.

Unfortunately, there are few of these extra store entrances reported every year.

Some of them are made by older people with slower reflexes, and some are made by teens with less than perfect judgment.

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Jeff

You are free to believe what you chose LOL

mike

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Mike Hunter

Doesn't FMVSS require that all vehicle brakes be able to overcome the engines? At least when Audi was having sudden acceleration problems they said if the driver simply step on the brakes the car would stop. Maybe the brakes didn't work?

But how come Camry V6 XLEs aren't having the same ES350 sudden acceleration problem? They are the same platform and powertrain.

And why does the push-button ignition switch require 3 seconds to turn off? Your key doesn't.

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johngdole

So why doesn't ES350's equivalent, the Camry V6, have the sudden acceleration problem? Maybe the old with slower reflexes and teens with less than perfect judgment only drive ES350 ;) ;)

Do you think the electronic throttle and failed brake force distribution or stability control (which can ease brake pressures) in today's cars be a potential cause? Then it may just be the engine computer's fault.

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johngdole

So that the car will not shut off if the button is unintentionally tapped.

Makes sense to me.

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Bob H

ES350 have sudden acceleration and the Camry V6 have flaring transmissions. Is the highlander of the same platform too?

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EdV

Yeah, but 3 secs is still way too long. I can understand PCs take 4 seconds to manually shut down when the machine hangs. Now who'd accidentally bump the start/stop switch behind the steering wheel? Or who's ever bumped the key?

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johngdole

The older Highlander was based on the Camry chassis, like the old Avalong. The new Avalon's gone over to the Lexus GS chassis, so I don't know if the new Highlander followed. People pay all that money for Lexus and get McPherson suspension geometry, jack-screw belt tensioners, etc. Sheeeeeesh.

Just looking at the price difference between the Avalon and the GS tells you how much profit Toyota is making with the Lexus marque. But most owners can't tell beyond the dolled-up exteriors.

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johngdole

I have never tried those push button ignitions, how deep or hard do you have to press to use it? Is it as light as the hazard switch or heavy like the horn

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EdV

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