OFF TOPIC: (Almost) Everything you wanted to know about (cloth) washers, but were afraid to ask.

To start, drop here;
http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Large_Appliances-All-Washing_Machines/submitted_form_~ultrafinder/ultrafinder_submitted_~+Go+/skp_~1/linkin_id_~/sp_~/search_vertical_~all?search_string=washer
Also, remember to pick up a copy of Consumer Reports July 2002. Also mentionned in August 2003.
I bought the top of line that is available (non-commercially) at Sears. The Kenmore Elite HE3T with the matching dryer Elite HE3.
The dryer is not worth the money you pay. You could spend a lot less and get the same drying ability, or even better. But, I wanted something with the same capacity than my washer, and the HE3T was (and maybe still is) the largest capacity on a non-commercial basis. Plus, it looks more pleasant having two similar machines. In particular since the dryer is sitting on top of the washer.
The washer HE3T is the best there is in the market (non-commercial) and is highly rated from a reliability point of view. Also among the most expensive. The Kenmore Elite HE3T has a clone called the Whirlpool Calypso Duet. Sells for maybe $100 more is is not worth it. The HE3T, as well as HE3 have a transparent front window, allowing you to observe what's happening.
The Elite also comes in the HE3 format. It wouldn't be a wise choice. The differences between the HE3 and HE3T are as follow:
1) The HE3 spins at a maximum of 900RPM while the HE3T spins at a maximum of 1200RPM. This does not really matter cause cloth spinning at 1200RPM are easily damaged by being stretched too much. I seldom use the 1200RPM cycle.
2) The HE3T has one very convenient additional cycle. Called "Ultra Hand Wash", it will allow your household to NEVER have to wash anything by hand again. The washing is done by rotating the drum 1/2 turn, then stopping, then rotating the drum another 1/2 in the other direction.
3) The HE3T has a heating element sitting at the bottom and under the drum. And for this feature alone, you SHOULD buy the HE3T over the HE3. The facts of life are that a stain of ketchup, a stain of blood and a stain of ink need three different temperatures in order to be completely removed. Using HOT water to attempt to remove all kind of stains often doesn't work. The HE3T with it heating element will gradually increase the temp of the water. This way, the proper temp to remove a stain will be reached and the stain will be gone.
The HE3T has two computers. A main CPU and a second CPU whose only function is to control the electric motor spinning the drum. This CPU has a hugh heat sink. The location of the second CPU is very poor. It is located on the floor, right under the drawer where you pour the detergent/bleach/etc. . In order to protect it from damages due to liquid, they installed a cheap piece of plastic (or other material - don't remember anymore) attached to the side of the washer by tape (like duct tape). The whole thing is plain out stupid from a design point of view.
The main CPU will set you back ~$400 + tax and installation. It is located behind the drum and under the top cover. About right in the middle.
The HE3T is made up of 4 oil shocks located under the drum as well as 2 coil springs at the top of the drum to help support the weight of the drum. About 150 pounds of concrete is attached to the drum in order to help stabilise the movement. With a RPM of 1200 and based on the diameter, it spins at a speed of 72MPH and sounds like the engine of an airplane taking off.
If you open the front bottom panel (3 screws), you will see to your right under the drum, sheets of paper inside a transparent plastic bag attached to the side panel. Take them. Those are the instructions for the technician in case your machine doesn't work properly. They will allow you to put your machine in test mode. If ever there is anything wrong with it, it will give you the error code and with the sheets you will be able to have an idea of what's wrong.
I operated mine with the cover, rear panel as well as front bottom panel removed. It is quite fun to see it operating. The engineering design is very clever. A lot of thoughts went into its fabrication.
But due to its high cost of repairs, if necessary, it would be preferable to continually have a warranty contract. The choice is yours. You can live without and take your chance, but with two computers that could be damaged through the hydro line, I don't want this hassle and took the extended warranty. Which also included installation. I may continually renew the extended warranty just for peace of mind. That's what warranty are for, right?
About soap, no need to buy detergent specifically for HE (High Efficiency) washers. But do use liquid detergent. The powder stuff will create a lot of sud. This will force the machine to add another 15 minutes to the washing by adding a SUD cycle. I used powder for the first few months, until I finished the box. Then I bought Tide liquid for regular washers and it's doing fine.
Front loading washers use a fraction of the electricity and water consumed compared with top loading. The quality of cleaning of front loader like the HE3T is MILES ahead of any top loader. Plus front loaders are a lot more gentle on clothes than top loaders. Just stay away from the 72MPH spinning cycle...
The HE3T is also very quiet. Quieter on average than top loaders. The only time it is a bit noisy is when the pump is on. Only lasts a few minutes. You notice it since during most of the HE3T operation, you hardly hear anything at all.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

and your reason for posting this here is????
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Read the thread titled "More Typical Very Old Car Experience" and you should understand why. I felt instead of posting this valuable info inside another thread, it might be of use to more than one poster.
Moreover, given the huge contribution James Sweet is making to this newsgroup, that was the least I could do.
As usual, nothing obliges anyone to read a thread. And yes, I do understand that it is not related to Volvo cars, except I presently own 2 Volvos.
Sorry if some feathers have been ruffled by my post. Oh Humanity!

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
I'll make it more Volvo. We bought a new Miele (really good stuff from Germany, uses hardly any electricity and water) washer and dryer, the washer makes a nice whine when at 1200rpm spin cycle... Sounds really cool. The inline 6 in our 960 also makes a nice mechanical whine type of a noise at 6000rpm.... There, I Volvo'ed it up for you.
wrote:

ed_form_~ultrafinder/ultrafinder_submitted_~+Go+/skp_~1/linkin_id_~/sp_~/sea rch_vertical_~all?search_string=washer
included,
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
When did you buy the washer? Any problems with it so far?
Laz.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Purchased early April 2003. Used exactly 135 times until last weekend (yes, I keep track on a calendar of the number of times it is used. Interested in finding out how long it will last before it breaks down. My first Kenmore appliances - no experience prior to purchase.)
The machine has been flawless, except the first one was returned due to a faulty computer. My guess, the computer was not faulty, they just forgot to programmed one of the functions. Bottom line, great product, but poor quality testing.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Motorsforum.com is a website by car enthusiasts for car enthusiasts. It is not affiliated with any of the car or spare part manufacturers or car dealers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.