A1 timing belt howl, non cat exhaust systems

Last weekend I put the 83 JH code 1.8 I have spent the last 4 months rebuilding in my 79 Scirocco. Huge improvement over the 1.6, and it hasnt even been past 3500 rpm yet (100 miles on it). Everything inside the block is new. The timing belt cover was from the 1.6, the belt and the tensioner were replaced, and I took the best gears from both engines. The howl starts about 1000 rpm. You can adjust it out with the idle screw, but you always hear it somewhere near the perfect idle speed. The old 1.6 did it, and my brother in law's 83 Jetta (think it's a 1.7) does it also. The sound drives us both nuts. We thought it was the position of the tensioner, the 2 manuals we have show different views. I need to set the idle at 1200 rpm, because when you kick on the DPD A/C (dealer installed I think) the idle drops to 1000. I have the idle at 1000 now, not using the a/c. It just howls away. If I set the idle at 1200, no noise, but turn the a/c on and it howls away. The car is not smooth unless it idles around 1000 rpm, but the engine is still tight.

I am one of the few lucky ones that doesn't have to pass emissions, so I removed the EGR valve when I put the engine back in. Don't need a cat. The manifolds, double downpipe, and timing cover are from the 1.6. The exhaust system is stock, with the tiny hole at the bottom of the downpipe. All the exhaust systems I have seen on the net seem to deal with cats. I can probably have my brother in law fabricate a 2" or so flange on the downpipe and have a shop do the rest to the tailpipe, but i'd rather find something I can bolt in. I want to get the best mileage with the most power, as I usually drive it on the highway. Any ideas?

Reply to
Todd
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Todd,

A few possible options...

  1. You have the tensioner too tight. When it is set correctly, you should just be able to twist the timing belt about 90 degrees at midspan between the cam and crank pulleys.

  1. The timing belt cover is rubbing. Remove the cover and see if it still rubs. I've had this problem several times and just leave mine off now.

  2. The tensioner pulley is bad. I have more than one bad part direct from the auto supply stores. Rare, but it happens.

My wife's 1986 Jetta GLI makes a lot of belt noises too. I "think" it's a misalignment of the various pulleys, but I really don't know. I've adjusted and replaced the parts a few times and hers is still much noiser than my

1976 Rabbit.

I removed all the emission equipment from my 1976 Rabbit years before they implemented emission checks in our area. To my surprise, I still passed the emission tests easily without all of that. Of course, now that my car is more than 25 years old, I'm no longer need to get emission checks anyway.

Techtonics can probably supply whatever you need.

I'm sure any muffler shop could fabricate a straight pipe replacement for the cat as well.

Anthony

Reply to
HerHusband

i'd guess it's a timing belt problem of some sort. either the tensioner is a bit too tight or the belt is rubbing against the cover somewhere.

Reply to
Nathan Lucas

Like the others have said about belts and tensioners but it lso might be a vacuum leak due to a defective hose. I have heard groans or moans coming from the hose going to the intake manifold near the rear of the valve cover. Usually I find a split in the hose and it only makes noises close to idle IIRC.

Use a hose, heater hose is nice, to listen more carefully for this howl.

later, dave One out of many daves.

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One out of many daves

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