Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 15:14:15 +0200, Peter Bozz

You mean someone outside of France buys those Frenchy cars? Wow.
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dizzy wrote:

I know, it's shocking. I guess buyers are lured by the abundant "standard" gadgetry the French are so fond of, the pseudo-futuristic looks (you seen the new Megane?), and who knows, maybe they're fun to drive the 50,000 miles you can manage in them before you throw them away.
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Top 10 sellers in UK in first quarter 04:-
43,115 Ford Focus 33,355 Vauxhall Corsa 29,479 Peugeot 206 27,217 Ford Fiesta 23,496 Vauxhall Astra 22,283 Renault Megane 21,688 ditto Clio 19,067 Ford Mondeo 18,366 VW Golf 17,830 Peugeot 307
See UK data here: http://www.smmt.co.uk/home.cfm?CFIDX5293&CFTOKEN 740000
You can download a spreadsheet and a Word document with commentary.
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:44:35 +0100, "Dori A Schmetterling"

    I'll dig out my Autocar if my nephews haven't swiped it, but they recently did an article on the most popular cars in the UK once you remove fleet sales, and I think BMW moved up quite a bit on the list.     Where I work, you could put up a sign on the parking garage as a German car dealership and no one would bat an eye: Bimmers, Mercs, and Porsches galore. I'm shopping for a Passat just to stand out. :-)     Emanuel
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Would not surprise me.
BMW appears in the UK top 10 in the month of March. The data for the second quarter should be interesting as, possibly, fleet sales are declining with the changes in company car tax and increasing extended warranties (reducing risk and hassle for the private driver).
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They sell more, and these are the cars that last for 300k miles or more, while the Opels, Fords and VW's are in the scrap heap.
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

A short drive around where I live revealed 8 Mercs. Now, it's no Beverly Hills, just a fairly affluent neighborhood of a big Dutch city (actually, I crossed over into the affluent neighborhood from the not-so-affluent part of town I live in). There were a couple of Saabs and a few of the ubiquitous V40/V70 Volvos. I counted 6 BMWs and at least one A6, two A4s, a Jaguar XJ and a Lexus LS400. Most of the Mercs were of course C series. I didn't count the CLK Cabrio my local drug dealer drives: he's hardly representative of the general population and might skew my empirical data. I guestimate that I must have seen about 500 cars.
Most people here seem to have a, shall we say, predilection for spacious MPV type of cars, mostly uninspiring brands I coudn't even tell apart. Think Ford, Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, some Japanese and Korean brands, whatever.
I wonder, what city was it that you say you saw Mercs on every corner?
Peter
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In what town are you in? Randstad...?...
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:

I'm in the Randstad, yes. Admittedly, not the best place to live in.
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Well, the roads are certainly busy...
Am just curious, in which town are you, actually?
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We had a recent discussion in alt.autos.bmw. google for: "Re: How much maintenance?"
Sounds like you're looking for 3-series, for that $. In this set of cars, I doubt that you will find significantly different maintenance costs. Might look at Lexus IS300 if you want Toyota reliability.
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On Sat, 8 May 2004 07:29:02 -0700, "fbloogyudsr"
But pay similar prices (at least in the USA) if you do need repairs.
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they are all very fine cars. IMHO BMW would be a much more enjoyable ride. I have never owned a Saab or an Audi so I cannot compare maintenance costs, but I would imagine they are all not so different.
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speakeasy wrote:

Now you are none the wiser, you will see there are more saabies out here. Probably because SAAB being a smaller volumes manufacturer has more of cult following (and GM will screw this up soon).
Where will you do the servicing?
If at a dealer of local mechanic spend your time finding out about the quality of service you will get from them. (it will not be the same everywhere although it should be). My point being it does not (should not?) matter if one dealer/maker charges 100 USD more than another as long as you get what you pay for!
Repairs, concentrate your mind on which exact cars from each make you would like and then ask the questions. SAAB faults for example will affect one model of a particular year(s) not every car (unless it uses the v6 GM engine).
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Why not call local mechanics (specialists in the brands, both dealer and non-dealer) to get price estimates for the scheduled maintenance intervals?
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Good start, but some cars (current Saabs for instance) have that as a free (well, included in the purchase price) service. Also, the planned service may be more comprehensive on one than anotther.
Bottom line - they're all fine cars, with enthusiastic owners. Decide what you want to spend, and then drive one of each at that price point. Buy the one you like the best.
Dave Hinz
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I have owned all three makes. My current car is a 01 A6. repair costs for all are about the same, the difference is in how often they require repair. Now you can get complaints about every make and model out there, so you must understand this. here are the cars I have owned
A6 4.2 (current) 42k miles- no repairs
9-3 Saab Convt. Sold with 39k. bought with 22k, certified. was in the shop 8 times in 7 months, NONE of these were maintenance related. the shortest time in service was 4 days, the longest 3.5 weeks. probably the worst car I have ever owned. when running correct it was all kinds of fun and a joy to drive. A lemon, no doubt. got rid of it due to the breakdowns, all of which were covered by warranty, but totalled over 8k.
BMW 525 sold with 107K, in the shop one time for shocks, and lower control arms.
Audi 90 Q In the shop three times, once for starter, ignition switch and another for cat. converter. Sold for the Bimmer, great car though.
Audi 90 Q. same car as above, never in the shop until an accident at 60 mph in which a car tried to turn in front of me on the hi-way. I walked away, car was a complete loss.
Saab 900 convt. A/c o-ring replaced at 24k under warranty
So, drive each car, find as much as you can about it both the model and the specific car. call the VIN into a friendly dealer and they can help you with repair info. check the car out. any of these can be great, but as with any car they can also be nightmares. I am probably the only one on the earth that had a lemon of a honda, so you can never tell
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