Back to the thread, nope, they don't always buy what they want. They pick
a car and pretty much have to take what is offered. Sometimes it is
sometimes it is the lesser of evils.
What do you actually do for GM, Mike?
I have nothing to do with GM today, except own a bunch of their stock. I'm
eighty years old and have been retired for a long time. My engineering
degree is in metallurgy. I did work for GM, as a design engineer, when I
graduated from college after WWII. After my stint there I worked as a field
engineer in VWs short lived assembly plant in Pennsylvania, until it was
unceremoniously shut down . I worked as a design engineer for Ford until I
retired in 1986. After that I was Group Sales Manager for one of the
largest mega dealership groups on the east cost. We sold just about every
brand on the market. During that time I started a fleet service business,
with a moneyed partner, that serviced thousands of vehicle for corporate and
government fleets in six states. I had to buy out my partner in 1990, when
the techs decided to join the Machinist Union, because he wanted nothing to
do with a Union. Having our techs join a union turned out to be the best
thing that ever happen to the business. I sold out to an investment group
and retired to do what I do now an that is to try to spend all my money
before I die. LOL
> On 5/19/2006 5:41 PM ... firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Speed-sensitive radio volume level control is another one. GM goes
overboard with the useless gimmicky stuff. Since most (if not all) are
not options, one can't order a vehicle without those annoyances.
I believe that's an issue with some, not all car companies. It must be less
expensive for them to do it this way.
I put together a GM Denali and there are many, not all, options that you can
order without getting all the Bells and Whistles.
Of course it is less expensive to come out with standard models and a few
'packages'. No doubt about it.
I and remember when the options were radio, heater, and white wall tires.
Later, automatic trannies became availble.
And then air conditioners.
Who knows where it will all end?? ;>)
I do it all the time with the cars I buy. I no longer buy imports and all
of the domestic offer free standing options that can be added to packages.
The problem I have is with what is standard that can not be deleted. My
latest car has side air bags, something I would never order. DRLs are
another problem on some brands, it costs one extra money to disable them
Both of my current cars have anti-lock brakes that can not be disabled, as
can the traction assist. I have to spend money to install a disabler. Both
have auto up, and down, windows but only one has a single button to operate
them all. I spent extra money to install a one button operator on the
Because that is not the case in any state of which I an aware and according
to the US Senate Transportation Committee determination DRLs can cause more
accidents they may prevent. That is why they are not required in the US.
Just because they aren't required doesn't mean you can't have them.
My DRLs don't bother me since I'm not looking AT the front of my
vehicle. Not to mention that my car also helps to keep me from being
forgetful (not lazy) when I have to have my wipers on, my state
requires headlights when using wipers, my car turns the headlights on
when the wipers have been on for 30 seconds and then off when the
wipers have been off for 10. This isn't a DRL feature, but it's
another whiz-bang, golly-gee electronic gizmo that wasn't on vehicles
years ago yet is a nice safety feature.
I don't know the figures but I would suspect the vast majority of new cars
are bought off the lot, they are existing built cars, not ordered in
advance. Why, because those are the ones that go on sale and that you can
make the cheapest deals on. I also don't think the majority of new car
buyers know anything
about the mechanicals of the car they are buying. After all part of the
draw of buying new is that if it breaks you don't have to pay to fix it or
fix it yourself, you have this nice warranty that does that. So why would a
new car buyer care about ordering a prone-to-break item like an automatic
tampax remover when he's going to buy an extended warranty anyway, and sell
when that runs out? He isn't going to know what's in the vehicle and he is
going to care less.
True story - a couple weeks ago I called someone about buying a used van
they were selling. I asked them over the phone "does it have ABS brakes,
yes or no" the answer was no. I go look at this van that they had owned for
years, sure enough yes it has ABS brakes. Now someone explain to me how can
somebody own a car for years and not know if it has ABS brakes or not?
Don't you think the little warning light that lights up when you start the
car labeled ABS would give it away?
This is the typical level of knowledge of a typical car owner, and you think
they all want to special-order the options in the cars? Well maybe the
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