Aftead 150140 miles, having persistent brake problems which culminated
with having to stop with my foot to the floor, overheating, a shorting
drivers side window switch, a transmission going out again, and the
indigenous rusting of the rear lift points and rocket panels, I got
rid of my 1998 chevy venture. I figured it was time to stop dumping
money and worry into it.
Good luck GM.
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:44:49 -0800, Walt fired up the etcha-a-sketch and
Wow, that must suck.
Having an 11-year-old minivan that is having a few issue.
Do yourself a favor before trolling out on usenet.
(I can't bash you too bad, because even though you're on Windows, you a
least are using Firefox.)
Check the cost of a new car - including taxes and insurance. Amortize
that monthly over five years.
Now take the monthly cost - including taxes and insurance - of your
If the cost of the new car is less than the ongoing maintenance of the
minivan, it is a no-brainer. Dump the minivan (give it to charity) and
buy a new car.
If the cost of the new car is more than the minivan then you need to
decide if you just *want* a change or not.
The body rust, along with the abs system problems (needed to replace a
sensor because the wiring got severed, and then also fix the
connecting wiring harness), the abs controller acting up, the internal
leak of the master cylinder, a ghost antifreeze leak, morning upper
engine noise, leaking weatherstripping, the rusting of the body which
would lead into the subframe, the shorting window switch (which caused
me to disconnect them), a broken passenger side power mirror, a broken
spare tire hoist, acorroded wheels which caused the tires to leak,
needing another transmission rebuild (or replacement), basically said
get rid of the thing.
What did me in was my 2001 Regal. Going up the interstate in Missouri
when the transmission decided to drop all power at 65mph... with a 18
wheeler behind us honking and braking....that was it's 3rd++ breakedown
in 16,500 miles.
My wife would never drive it again. We hobbled into Home Arkansas where
it too was 9 days to get it fixed. On the 5th day I told the dealer to
quit wasting time while GM approval stalled, get me a new replacement
and I would take payment up with my lawyer with Wisconsin lemon law.
Never saw them move so fast, they got someone to drive a new one down
from St. Louis and still screwed up putting it in. If you hit a bump it
would down shift. Had to have the console replaced when we got home.
Never did quite cover the car rental either...BS waranty.
Last GM I will ever even drive. The first thing I ask when booking a
car, GM no thank-you.
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:54:23 -0800, Eric O. fired up the etcha-a-sketch
and scratched out:
There was an article I read a couple of years back, when gas prices were
in the $5.00/gallon range.
One analyst mentioned the '80's honda civic, which got something like 40
However, they said it got such mileage because it saved weight by not
having an airbag, no crumple zones and very light sheet metal.
He went on to say, that he'd not want to get in even a small fender-
bender while driving one of those.
This was in comparison to the current Civic which is considered much more
safe. (However, I think I've driven over a few in my truck but I don't
> One analyst mentioned the '80's honda civic, which got something
As a side note, the thing about air bags is interesting, because I
didn't think airbags were very common back then anyway. I seem to
remember airbags becoming a lot more widespread in the late 80s to early
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:27:25 -0800, Eric O. fired up the etcha-a-sketch
and scratched out:
IIRC, the point wasn't that Honda cars in particular were unsafe, just
that the older cars did not have modern safety features, which the new
cars have and cause weight gain.
So even a compact like a Malibu or a sub-compact like a Civic or Cobolt
or Aveo will be safer than the 80's era cars.
(My '87 Nissan pickup didn't have airbags either.)
I had one, an '80, got it used in '94 with 46k miles on it from a old lady
who bought it new. It was a Civic wagon .
Bought it for a beater for $400
What a POS, a beer can on wheels. 1.5 L CVCC 56hp with a 2 speed Hondamatic,
top speed 80mph. My '64 beetle felt safer but not as quick. LOL
Paint had peeled off to the primer, interior plastic cracked and seat fabric
was just disintegrating.
CV joints were bad by 60k. Gave it away after 2yr, I think the circus has it
for a clown car.
Any 70's US car was far superior than that POS, even a AMC Matador from the
'70's. (another story)
That's interesting - I've always heard that Japanese import cars from
Honda and Toyota were booming in popularity in the US in the late 70s
and the 80s for their relatively high reliability compared to American
cars (and their fuel economy, too). That one must have been unusually
bad for some reason, or perhaps not well taken care of by its previous
You heard wrong, they all where POS crap. Rust dissolved them faster than US
Plastic parts? Crap wasn't even plastic, it was compressed rice the way it
held up, same as Chinese crap today.
Only reason they sold was good gas mileage for commuters / cheapskates in
that fuel fiasco at the time.
The one I had averaged 3300 miles / yr when I got it, WTF a old lady beat
it, bullshit, It was typical import crap that fell apart when it was parked.
Hmm, you're the only person I've ever heard say that. I actually saw a
lot of older Honda and Toyota cars on the road for quite a while, which
wouldn't make sense if most of them fell apart as bad as you say.
lol, compressed rice? lol..
lol, cheapskates? I've heard that it was actually the government that
came up with a schedule for certain people to buy gas on certain days.
She probably didn't beat it up, but sometimes it's hard to know if the
previous owner took it in for its routine/regular maintenance, etc. or
just let things fall apart.
Besides, you said that was a 1980 model car and you bought it in 1994?
It was already 14 years old, so it was bound to have some things go
wrong sooner or later. Time ages things too, not just mileage.
I know of a couple of 1980 Toyotas that ran very well at over 250,000 miles
on them, but hte bodies were full of holes. I'm talking front fenders with
6" dia holes in them. An early 1990 Toyota has 385,000 miles, same thing.
Look like crap, but still runs. These are in New England climates.
Making sure people know GM is a sucking on taxes.
I would be here if some idiot politician didn't take out massive
quantities of debt for GM. Messing up customers is one thing. Usin the
tax system in a marxist way to support GM to me is a moral crime. And
perhaps someday people will realize it as a criminal one.
GM has not rights to taxes on peoples pay cheques. None at all. Might
as well belong to the mafia as opposed to supporting government/GM for
insane moves like that.
And it appears GM has ticked off more than a few.
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