Mine bought new 1/05. Only problems to date have been a front seat
cover peeling off the stain from the bead on the driver door edge.
Replaced in 2 hours under warranty. Nav system recalled to install a
modification to reduce the idle power the display pulls when the car
is turned off.
Car has 9700 miles on it. Front tire wear looks good for at leat 40K
if I rotate them on schedule. Rear tires show almost no wear.
Michelins on the car.
Gas mileage about 24 in town and a steady 33-34 on the highway at
I was an early buyer of the new TL, purchased in October 2003. I had a slew
of problems with my TL with navigation. Poor fit and finish, rattles
galore, leaky window seals, transmission recall, tire recall, etc.
Overall, I would rate the TL as good, but certainly not great. My previous
experience with Honda cars was excellent. Most never needed any service or
repair for five or more years. I had two Honda Preludes and currently own
an Acura NSX in addition to the TL. Even the executives at Honda/Acura
admitted there were some 'quality issues' with the TL when it was introduced
in the fall of 2003.
I tired of taking the TL back to the dealer (it is 45 miles from my house),
so now I just drive it. The only continuing problem is the multitude of
rattles. It's embarrassing when others are in the car with all the noises.
The gas mileage is directly related to how aggressive you drive. I can get
about 30 mpg on the freeway using cruise control; I can also get under 20
when driving aggressively. If you drive conservatively, you can get mid-20s
in mixed driving.
I think I probably wouldn't buy the TL if I was looking now. I would
probably look for a relatively new 5 series BMW. Others to consider would
be the Infinity M35/45, other new or used BMWs, the new Lexus IS350, even
the new Honda Civic.
One further recommendation, buy a car that is built in Japan -- not a
US-built car. My experience is that the quality is much better from the
- Russ in Santa Barbara
On 02/25/2006 6:35 AM, in article
RSX Type S, for example.
Russ Panneton firstname.lastname@example.org
Nederland, CO "Too bad ignorance isn't painful"
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I am sorry to hear about problems of this sort. I "was" a long term
honda/acura lover: 1 civic, 1 accord, 3 legends. 3 of them were manual,
other two were auto. 1 legend lasted beyond 200K miles until the
speedometer cable broke and transmission die. All the auto ones were
jerky when shifting gears. Most honda owners I know have similar jerky
shifts. BTW, all legends were built in Japan. The leather seats cracked
and were torn eventually. Maybe due to sunlight, because the headrests
in the back seats started first.
Anyway, I bought a Camry I-4 (below invoice with 0% 36 months finance)
instead of TL back in 03. Was really seriously considering the TL.
Luckily didn't. My boss had an '03 TL and the tranny was replaced on
the 2nd year. Lucky him.
I just got rid of my last Legend and bought a Scion tC, which is built
in Japan. Couldn't be happier with these Toyotas :)
'90 Integra, Japan-built, 86K miles. Problems? You're kidding of
course. Fabulous car in all respects. Hope the new Honda Civic CSI (the
Integra's lineage chassis) is equally as well made though I've no desire to
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