We have a 1994 Audio 80 with rear seats that don't fold down. Has
anyone tried putting in the split folding seats? It seems like it's
possible -- but would love to hear of others' experiences on what is
I haven't tried it myself and nor has anybody else here it seems. If you can
remove the existing seat back and there's no permanent looking bodywork or a
big upright fuel tank sitting between the boot space and cabin, I would say
you have a fair chance of making split/folding seats fit. You really need to
get a good look at an 80 with the split seats, to make some comparisons with
yours for bracketry, fixing points, trim differences etc. I have a '94 80
with folding rear seats, but I'm a long way from Dublin, sorry.
My understanding is that the sheetmetal structure behind the seat is
necessary structural stuff. My sis-in-law has a 1990 80q - and I
don't see how it would be possible to get all the mounting stuff in
there without some major surgery. Maybe the 1994 is different.
Indeed Spidey Man
Whilst both cars look pretty much identical externally, my old ('87) 90E has
fixed rear seats, a bulkhead and the fuel tank in the way. Our '94 80 TDI
has folding rear seats - the fuel tank is sort of wrapped around the spare
wheel well, under the floor, and I guess the bodyshell is designed for the
opening. I have seen the later 80's with and without split folding seats. It
may be that all the later 80 shells are constructed to allow the folding
rear seats, it would make sense from a production line point of view. I
suspect the quattro versions, with the diff, wishbones and subframe wouldn't
have the room to allow the fuel tank to sit under the floor, but I've never
looked underneath one to be certain.
As you say, if there is a bulkhead and tank in the way, it would be a right
old rigmarole to modify it for folding rear seats. Gina would be better off
buying a car with them already in.
Considering what those cars might resell for, I suspect that the cost
of modification for a fixed-bulkhead car to be about the price of a
used example with that already in place!
Now, over here, prior to 1989 (IIRC), the 80 was called the 4000. We
got the redesign in '89, but I owned a couple of 4000 models previous
to that release. In both cases, they did not have folding rear seats.
The sheetmetal behind the seatback was perforated for a ski
pass-through, but it was stamped and triangulated in a manner that
screamed "I'm a structural member! Don't cut me out!" Both cars were
quattro, however. The fuel tank was under the boot floor, IIRC. It
has been a while since I was last under that car, so I don't remember
exactly what the configuration was.
I have seen several early '90s Audi 80/90 cars around, and so next
time I walk by one, I'll check to see if they have the split seat
stuff. Since there are a few FWD examples, I'll see if that makes a
difference. I completely agree that the body shell would be alike for
both drive configurations - trying to keep that straight down a single
line would suck. One would think the bits of the right type would
screw right in.
email@example.com (Spider) wrote in message
Sorry to tell you, but you do *not* RC. As I had a few encounters
with the 'Bowling Ball in the Trunk' Syndrome over the years in our
'84 and '86 4KQs, I remember these cars vividly. The 4KQ had the fuel
tank mounted right behind the rear seatback (and in front of a cover
in the boot/trunk), so you couldn't even get a ski sack to work (much
less folding seatbacks) unless you poked a hole right through the
center of the tank. Now, that didn't stop BMW from putting a front
driveshaft through the oil pan for the 325ix ...
I've got a '90 90 20V sitting beside the house. Gotta clear out the
trunk (selling it), so I'll look tonight. As small as that trunk is,
I won't be surprised to find a fuel tank impinging on the front half
of it. There was a mid-series redesign because, although Audi claimed
it had the same amount of trunk space as the old 4K, nobody (including
yours truly) really believed that. So they stretched the butt a
couple years later ('93?).
Oddly, at least in the 4000, that was *not* the case. According to
the Bentley manual (VW/Audi's official factory manuals), the 4K
Quattro shared a platform with the FWD *Coupe*, but *not* with the FWD
(Been there; redlined that)
warp2 firstname.lastname@example.org (C.R. Krieger) wrote in message
I read this and racked my brain to figure out where in the heck I
remembered this from.
After having thought about it some more, I remembered a camping trip
with my '85 4kq, and the trunk was completely lined in molded plastic
- no pass-thru. The bulkhead I am thinking about was some mid-'80's
Jetta. My apologies.
I wish I could find a good example of a 90 20V. Every one I've ever
looked at has some problem with the climate control system. They
drive really nicely, but I'll be damned if I'm going to try and
troubleshoot that overly-complicated system.
The 80/90 series does not have much trunk room. It seems like it had
more than the 4kq, but because of the different shape, it's hard to
That sounds like it's quite inefficient. The Germans have a weird way
of doing things, to be sure.
Thanks for the info, and the corrections.
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