From Daniel's past posts, I get the impression that it is strictly
enforced if one tries to import a vehicle.
But, since automakers follow an "honor system" of sorts with regards to
FMVSS compliance, could they not technically get away with equipping
their vehicles with ECE specification headlamps from the factory as long
as they never reported it? Even if someone does rat them out, they
could always file a petition of inconsequential noncompliance and point
to the lack of a pile of dead bodies as evidence that ECE headlamps
should be allowed.
As for my personal experience having ECE specification headlamp
assemblies in my Audi for the last 5 years, not one police officer or
inspection station has ever taken notice (despite the fact that my
vehicle lacks the amber side marker reflectors on the front).
Having seen the FDA side of things and read Daniel's posts over the years
I don't think it works the other way around. These sort of things are
done using what I have called 'claybrookian logic' after the carter era
appointee. If someone wants to change an ass-backwards US regulation you
need to show a pile of bodies from the current regulation and it is
assumed that your change will produce a pile of bodies because current US
regulation is considered best in the world by default.
Remember how the storm sewers were going to be filled with blood when the
NMSL was done away with? The same sort of buracrats will complain that
people won't see the road signs at night and die in firey crashes as they
slide off the road.
Right. And absence of evidence is considered evidence of absence, while
evidence of absence is considered absence of evidence. The whole system
is designed to protect the US market's home-field advantage, and is
based on chest-thumping ("we're right and the stupid rest of the world
is wrong!") and elaborate handwaving designed to distract from what's
really going on: the highest bidder wins his regulation. Take a look at
the Imported Vehicle Safety Compliance Act of 1988, which shut down the
"grey market": It was put on the books as a result of purchased
lobbying by US subsidiaries of European carmakers, and their dealers,
who were upset at their usurious markups being circumvented by private
importers. There was not one scrap nor shred of evidence that
privately-imported European-spec vehicles were involved with
collisions, injuries or fatalities to any greater degree than US-spec
vehicles, nor was there any evidence that they were safer -- there was
no evidence at all having to do with safety, but this Act was
promulgated based on high-minded notions of highway safety and
protecting Americans' wellbeing against the menace of non-spec
vehicles. Likewise, there are scores of provisions contained in the
various Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards that are simply
_different_ to analogous provisions in the rest-of-world ECE
regulations. Not necessarily better, not necessarily worse, usually
more or less equal, but DIFFERENT. We live in a time when "Tariff" is a
dirty word (thank you, MBAs); it's considered backwards and unseemly to
have overt trade restrictions, so we hide them within technical
regulations. So sorry, we'd love for you to come and sell your cars
here, but they don't meet our unique safety regulations. Too bad, so
Canada pretty much gets dragged along for whatever drunken ride NHTSA
decides to take. There are a lot of very smart, very capable, very
knowledgeable Canadian regulators at Transport Canada, who would love
to fix the deficiencies in US regulations for the Canadian market, but
are prevented. This example from the Canadian lighting regulator:
"Look, red rear turn signals are stupid. They're deficient. Everybody
knows amber ones are better. But if I try to legislate for amber rear
turn signals, we will get hauled into Free Trade Court by the
automakers, and they'll demand we show them the pile of dead bodies
from red turn signals." A few years ago, Transport Canada was looking
at allowing ECE-spec whole vehicles and equipment (beyond
already-permitted headlamps) into Canada. Not enacting any new
prohibitions, mind you, just *allowing* ECE specs. The notion passed
all the safety analyses, but automakers howled: "You can't do this!
It'll screw up our parts distribution calculations, and when we make a
car for the German market, we want it to stay in Germany! We need the
different North American regulations to limit our liability to the
vehicles we choose to offer here!". And the US NHTSA also howled: "You
can't do this! If you do, we'll be the only ones in the world doing
And the punchline is that evidence suggests NHTSA is doing a rotten
job. The Wikipedia article is pretty good, and is based on a very solid
data source (Dr. Leonard Evans, www.scienceservingsociety.com):
That fits in with the stupid DVD regional codes so we can watch movies
from say Japan on our US market DVD player and the plans for broad band
over power lines. If you're not familiar with it, it's turning every
electrical outlet in a home into an internet connection so any product
that gets plugged into a wall socket can 'phone home'. This way the
corporations can track the products from manufacture to landfill.
They don't seem to grasp the issue that once the product is bought by us,
it's ours to use or sell as we see fit without their interference. (They
can refuse servicing it under some conditions, but that's about it)
What I find particularly amusing is that companies want to retain
regional differences to protect their markets but we as people cannot
retain regional barriers to protect our labor markets.
Getting a bit OT here... but it just all fits so well.
That's why you should always only ever buy Philips DVD players. I
bought a DVP-642, brought it home, plugged it in, put a battery in the
remote, pointed the remote at the player, hit 7 8 9 [OK] 0, and
*presto*, no more region codes. I can play DVDs from anywhere in the
world. PAL, NTSC, region code 1, 2, 3, 4, whatever, doesn't matter,
they all play perfectly.
Philips aren't impressed with all the greedy crapola added onto the
standard they invented, as it seems.
I plan on researching which ones are the easiest to unlock when I should
ever buy one. The one I have was a gift and requires a service DVD from
austraila to unlock the region. Of course I've heard walmart cheapies
aren't region locked.
I'd just get a dvd-rw drive and rip the contents and burn a dvd-rw dual
layer disc. Not only will the region lock no longer be a problem, but
the original disc can be stored in a safe place and remain
I guess it really depends on the disc brand. I watch DVDs on my
computer mostly, so I don't have that problem. I suppose a video card
like an ATI all-in-wonder model with component output will allow you to
use your computer as a dvd player (but I'm not sure about how well the
unix drivers work).
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:50:35 -0500, email@example.com
(Brent P) wrote:
Not necessarily. There is a web site that will tell you what it can
Just type in your player model (s7000) and select the right one.
There are three of this example. Selecting Sony comes up with
where you can see that it accepts CDR, DVD-RW, bit DVD+r, and VCD.
Except that I don't understand the "bit" part, this seems to be
correct for this player.
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