faulty accumulator PT

anyone have any idea of the symptoms of a bad air/con accumulator

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therebel
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An accumulator, by definition of refrigeration equipment, is just a "slop tank" to keep liquid out of, say, the suction inlet on a compressor, or to keep condensed liquid off the valves/heads of a compressor. There are no moving parts. However, many systems have an orifice tube or screen that is in their accumulator tanks that acts as a coarse system filter, and that does get plugged up during a compressor failure, or if the system has been run to death on a low charge, or on mixed/wrong oil.

Signs of a plugged orifice tube/suction screen in any system would be abnormally low suction pressure at the compressor, somewhat high head pressure and very high superheat out of the evaporator when compared to the compressor inlet pressure. If the system has a test port at the evaporator tailpipe (rare anymore, if at all) you'll also see a high evaporator pressure. On a full charge, that means the suction side will be "not cold" to the hand under light load (low evaporator fan speed, etc.) while the compressor suction reading will be abnormally low. There is no way, other than if it filled up with debris from a failed compressor that an accumulator proper could fail...it's just a tank with a baffle in it. Same goes for most automotive receiver/dryers...just a standard receiver tank (opposite of an accumulator; it wants nothing BUT liquid to go out its outlet) with a cheap bag of silica gel hung in it. Better aftermarket receivers can be had with molded cores as are used in commercial refrigeration, but they don't come cheap and are tough to source. Sporlan, years ago, did offer a line of aftermarket molded cord reciever/dryers which were excellent at cleaning up dirty/acetic systems, but FrigiKing and ARA ran them out of that part of the business. Sporlan is still probably the largest and best supplier of commercial refrigeration accessories and valves in the US.

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DeserTBoB

Why not just post a question on what's wrong with your vehicle?

Glenn

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maxpower

in reply to Glenn, I did not want to influence the reply. ok here goes, PT

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therebel

2 questions.......... First question to you is are you using the test port for the high side gauge at the compressor or at the hose itself? 2nd question..... Does the A/C condenser fan come on as soon as the compressor engages.

My guess will be you are using the ports at the hoses on the top and the fan does not turn on when the compressor turns on. If the fan does not turn on as soon as the compressor kicks on the high side will go extremely high, the condenser will get very hot and in some cases the R-134 may blow out. If you use the port at the top you will not see the high side. It has to be connected to the compressor port. Very hard to access unless you have a small hand/arm the grille and radiator must be loosened

Glenn

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maxpower

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therebel

Bingo!!! your fan module is bad. If you have a scan tool you can actuate the high and low speed. you will probably not have a low speed.And before you install the fan.......connect to the compressor port and you will see how high the pressure is

Glenn

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therebel

accumulator

Im not an engineer!!! But im sure it has something to do with the port on the line, all I know is you are not supposed to use the upper port.

Glenn

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maxpower

This is not a sprint phone with the bar reading.:grinyes: :rofl: :lol:

Give us some good old Fashion low and high side pressure readings at idle and at 2000 rpm with ac compresser running. MT

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MT-2500

R-134A + no condenser cooling = ULTRA high head pressure. You're lucky you didn't lunch the compressor, and that may happen soon enough.

Another fun feature of DuPont and GM's big fraud against the world, R-134A. Just another reason why I refuse to do 134A "conversions" on restored and rehosed R-12 car systems. There are good, environmentally friendly blends, like R-418A, that don't need PAG or olefin oils and are more thermally efficient, especially if using isobutanes. The problem with blends isn't that they're "not as good" as 134A...it's just that it takes a real refrigeration man to use them properly, not some garage jockey. You cannot "top off" a system running blends...it must be leak tested, made tight, the blend reclaimed and recharged from vacuum. 134A got the nod because it's NOT a blend, and therefore, the user just keeps dumping more of the crap in when he springs a leak...making DuPont (and their still illegal interlocking partner, GM) all that much happier. It also caused a lot of clueless car owners (and corporate idiots in charge of large chillers, etc.) to scrap and trade in R-12, R-502 and R-13 equipment needlessly. Remember, it was GM's "Boss" Kettering who headed the original "Freon" project for DuPont while still employed by Sloan at GM in the '30s. They weren't going to give up that multi-billion-a-year business, no sir!

DuPont is also allegedly responsible for spreading the now-common and disproven myth that R-406 and R-409 (and their improved successors) would cause immediate liver failure if inhaled, as well as the lie that isobutane blends are an "explosion hazard." Anyone with half a brain can research and find out that 134A explodes at 400°F with less than 5% oxygen present, far lower than the HCFC refrigerant it replaced. But, oh yes...the hydroflouric acid threat is still there with 134A, especially when running PAG oil...and I'd wager a good chunk that PT's refrigeration system is REAL acetic right now. Lotsa luck with that compressor next summer!

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DeserTBoB

That was AT&T Wireless (and clueless) which is now swallowed whole by "Dingular," a toy of the "new AT&T" (SBC) and Bell Souff.

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DeserTBoB

"in reply to Glenn, I did not want to influence the reply. ok here goes, PT

2.2CRD 2002 model year. 40k on the clock. " ================================================================

if PT means a PT Cruiser.................. is this a "foreign" one?

if RD means rear wheel drive????

US ones 2.4 and FD

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therebel

Cheers Glenn. spot on. I took your advice and it worked. it was a faulty connection at the fan module. as soon as I connected to the compressor port it became obvious. the rebelmc.

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therebel

"CRD" means "Common-Rail Diesel."

Same drive layout as any PT Cruiser, except for the diesel engine.

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Steve

Who makes the diesel for those?

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DeserTBoB

BP, Exxon, etc.

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Whoever

Good one!

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aarcuda69062

Yeah...a bazillion laughs, har de har har! Go join Charlie Nudo over in the corner! Nah, wait...that's TOO severe, and would require breathing apparatus.

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DeserTBoB

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