Why is the 300 so heavy?

Jun 28, 2004 69 Replies

Then they are IDIOTS.

I've driven a Magnum, and visibility is superb. The windows are smallish, but its blatantly obvious after 10 seconds in the car that they did a lot of work to put the windows EXACTLY in the right places. That's much more important than putting a huge greenhouse on a car. Ever checked out the visibility in an AMC Pacer? Sheesh.

Or rear wheel drive. Getting away from crappy, understeering, front-drive handling is a BIG step in the right direction.

No, GPS in a car is absolutely worthless.

Not really. Its a 2nd-gen LH car trait. Having driven 1st-gen LH cars,

2nd-gen LH cars, and the Magnum, I'd give the 2nd-gen LH by FAR the worst rear-visibility rating. The Magnum and 1st-gen are pretty close- the Magnum has the advantage that its easier to tell exactly where outside objects are in relation to the rear bumper when looking through the rear window (can't see the trunk lip out the rear window of the 1st gen LH, but the rear window IS virtually the bumper on the Magnum), and the 1st-gen LH has better visibility when you turn your head and look out the rear-door windows to the side.

No, you are both wrong. :-)

Matt

This reminds me of the mid 70's Torinos (Starsky & Hutch) - real high ass-end - I never had one, but 3 out of 5 of them had a dent within a foot of center of the rear bumper where someone back it into a pole or tree.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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| > No, GPS in a car is absolutely worthless. | | No, you are both wrong. :-) | | | Matt |

Actually, I think they're both right. :-)

Where the headquarters/corporate offices are located and the country where the majority of the corporate taxes are paid. Or, you can go with which country issues the stock.

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| That's all I'll publicly admit to! | | :-) | | --Geoff | |

Understood. ;-)

The GPS would be nice if the speedometer is broken.

It is American in that it is assembled in Canada, has a Mexican engine, and the (German designed) transmission and a majority of the rest of the parts are from the US. The more jingoistic, though, would consider a "made in USA with US made drive train parts" Taurus or Sedan de Ville to be much more American.

Not in the northeast (I'm in Pittsburgh). The front wheel drive helps greatly in poor traction conditions. I don't want to pay extra for AWD and my FWD will beat your RWD with traction control (my Concorde also has Traction Control0. I will be looking at the Taurus replacement next time I buy a car.

A car is designated as "American" if the a certain percentage of the content of the vehicle is American - I'm not sure what that percentage is. For example, the Honda Accord built in Ohio is an American car because the majority of the content of the car is American (labor is included in the calculation). The 300C, being built in North America of mostly American parts is as American as it's gonna get.

............but first you have to like a Taurus or a Sedan de Ville or Ford or GM. Nevah happen, GI!

If you have a RWD car with proper winter tires and you don't have enough traction, you might want to consider a dogsled. On Dunlop Winter Sports, my 330i has far more traction than any no-season-tire FWDer I've driven. You can bet I'll put winter tires on the SRT-4 as well.

If you use tires which aren't designed for the job, FWD/RWD is academic. Your car will still not brake or handle safely on snow.

Have you ever actually DRIVEN a rear-drive car? I find that most people who heap praise on FWD in the snow either have never actually driven a rear-drive vehicle, or base their rear-drive assessment on a pickup truck or a memory of a 1975 Chevy Nova with bias ply tires.

But with the same tires on both FWD and RWD, the FWD will win in the traction contest in virtually all circumstances. Sure, RWD with studded winter tires will do better than a FWD with bald all-seasons, but that isn't the point. It is simple physics. Most FWD cars simply have a higher percentage of their weight over the drive wheels.

My two minivans with all season radials will climb my driveway better than my K1500 pickup (in two wheel drive mode) even though my truck has very heavy mud and snow tires as I plow snow with it. You simply can't argue against the fundamental physics. Now, if I put 2,000 lbs. in the bed of my truck, the outcome would change. :-)

Matt

Matt

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