I mean I HATE Corvettes and I would buy a 2004 ZO6 or a 2006 base
corvette before I'd buy a 2010 STI or WRX. I mean let's look at the
2004 ZO6 (0-60 in 3.9, 1/4 mile in 12.4@116 mph, 171 mph drag limited
2006 Base Corvette (0-60 4.3, 1/4 mile 12.7@112 mph, 186 mph drag
limited top speed)
2010 Subaru STI (0-60 4.8, 1/4 mile 13.5@100 mph, 154 mph drag limited
I mean a regular STI will get beat by the 2007 Cobalt SS at the
Hell even a Charger SRT8 can do 173mph and costs the same as an STI.
154 mph for an STI? Damn even a girl's car like a STOCK Honda S2000
can beat an STI on the Autobahn.
I think the answer to the original question is utility, longevity, and
the lack of time that one actually gets to drive as fast as they want.
That is why someone would buy a slower STi rather than a vette. Lets
see the charger on an autocross course versus an STi. David and
Goliath... Actually more of Olympic sprinter versus front tackle.
Crosspost killed ------ Just atwixt us girls.
Obviously Sal has not driven these cars or he'd know.
It has little to do with performance.
The Subaru will have more appeal as a daily driver for the guy who parks
it in row seven of the corporate parking lot. It's also superior on
wet, slushy, muddy roads.
Would you want to be seen in a Cobalt?
(Actually, I almost bought one. The dealer had a Loss Leader, the HiPo
engine, 5-speed, etc for ~$13000, but I just couldn't bring myself to
drive a CHEVY and wound up with a Scion tC. However, if it came between a
WRX and a Corvette...)
I haven't owned a GM product for about 15 years. However, as a mamber
of SCCA, I was recruited to work the Chevy Rev-it-up event back in 05
when the cobalt SS non-supercharged first came out. Basically they let
people autocross them for 35 bucks in a national competition. I have
to admit that I was impressed with the handling of that car. I have
never believed in front drivers possibly having good dynamics, but it
did. I'm not a chevy fan, but I have to admit that if I could have
gotten a brand new supercharged one, or even the newer turbocharged
one for 13k, I'd have jumped at it.
I'm not a prestige kind of guy. I don't care what other people think
about what I drive. As evidence, I drive a baseline stock 12 year old
legacy with hubcaps. No glamour. But the performance that that car
offers really is class leading. It beat the GTI, Civic si, and
MazdaSpeed 3 in a comparison test. It was the attitude that it just
wasn't cool or probably wouldn't be reliable that killed its sales.
Kind of a shame.
The sense of shame in owning an American car ironically seems to be an
uniquely American psychosis. Canadians have no such problems. Besides my
Subaru, my other car is a Pontiac Grand Prix. American cars are easy to
find parts for relatively cheaply. No car in existence is ever going to
go without a part change somewhere along the way.
And I would think the recent Toyota problems have well and truly put to
the grave all pretensions about Japanese car's perceived superior quality.
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:11:46 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:
You can bet that in three years or less, Toyota will be the car to own,
and they will probably be lower in price than others.
The Toyoda family is not going to let this go by the boards. One thing the
Japanese do that caucasians don't is "save face", and Toyota has a LOT of
face saving to do!
Within three years, they will be the best cars on Earth.
And considering a couple hiccups from Honda, don't expect them to be too
Maybe, maybe not, the stories you heard about Toyota's problems seemed
astonishingly similar to stories you normally hear about American car
companies, namely compromising quality to save on costs. That's a drug
that car companies have a lot of trouble detoxing from. Once you start
buying the part that's 5% lower cost, which adds 10% to your profit
margin, you'll keep taking that drug.
Face saving is for a Japan of the 19th century.
One of the contributing factors to Toyota's woes has been their
imitation of the GM business model.
In search of a larger market, Toyota moved from a fairly simple
operation with a handful of car models to a multi-branded enterprise
with many badge cars. Now with three brands (Lexus, Toyota and Scion),
management and logistics are more complicated than before. Four years
ago, Toyota was beginning to look much like GM.
Even though there's obvious commonality between Lexus and Toyota models,
the company has been challenged in maintaining the Lexus image during
the Q.A. issues with the Camry.
As GM, Ford and Chrysler have dumped badging, management focus seems to
have improved. -- pj
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