I have a 26-5c Arctic Fox 2006 5th Wheel on order, due end of October. I
visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his
inventory. He told me that the previous owner had a 360 Dodge Gas truck and
had problems pulling this unit. Frankly this scared the blazes out of me.
My truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton CTD 12 valve. I know the truck has 180 HP and
420 ft lbs of torque. It's an auto. transmission and I don't intend ever
using the OD feature with this new trailer. I know nothing about the power
of a 360 Dodge vs my truck. Do I need to be worried?
I have towed with gas for years and I have no plans of changing now.
never had any problems if they are properly geared for the load. I like
the quietness of a gas motor and I am not found of the oder of diesel
fuel or exhaust. I do work around diesels though and I have a 19k dozer
sitting in my yard now for a job this weekend. (still do not like the
well, i am on the opposite end. i towed with gas for years because i
listened to all those people who hate diesels. finally bought my
first diesel about four years ago. there is no comparison. not only
do i like the diesel better as a daily driver, but when you get to
towing the diesel shines. i am not a techy guy and rely on others
here for the technical answers, but from a drivers perspective, i can
not imagine anyone that would tow with a gas motor anymore.
They have their place but not in my driveway, again heir edge is over
played but detriot no offering proper ratio options with gas motors like
they did years ago. When you gear a gas and diesel the same way, the gas
will loss every day and it is that mind set that give the oil burner its
big jump. BTW gas is 2.71 here and diesel 3.34and you have to get over
20% better MPG, just to break even with fuel cost with a diesel. A
friend of mine bought his first oil burner and he is starting to have
some second thought now a that extra payment is sinking in AND he is
paying more for fuel too.
I will not argue the MPG aspect because diesel has a edge because of
higher compression ratio needed for it to run also yeilds higher
thermodynamic efficency (auto makers and gas truck owners are hung up on
87 octane so they cannot raise CR ratio higher to boost efficency) and
the fuel has a higher energy content so no surprizes here. As far as
best ratio for a gasser that depends on the load and the engine and
there is not blank rule but it is not a 3.55 or 3.73 like some think.
ANother edge you have with diesels as shipped is that they operate at or
very near their peak VE (Volumetric Efficency, which is also its torque
peak) when cruising where as a modern gas motor usually peaks past 3000
RPM and some as high as 4000 RPM (not good for a tow motor). Like a oil
furner a gas motor will use the least amount of fuel per HP hour
produced when working hard but most are hung up with lower RPMs and
efficency drops and MPG sucks.
So when running your gas engine at 4,000rpm loaded your longevity is what
about? My Cummins is somewhere in the area of 250-300,000. So, what are the
advantages to the gasser? Let me help ya, there are none. Well, personal
preference is one.
not that much difference in price around here, but my ctd gets much
better mileagge than my dodge 360 ever got in its best wet dream.
anyway, to each his own i guess and again, i am debating the technical
merits, mine are just comments from someone that has driven both, used
both as daily drivers and towed the same loads with both. if you
think a gasser is better..................well, then drive a gasser.
My main experience with TD's in pickups is from RV trips with friends...
Lots of comparison over the CB's about speed/rpm/etc and IMO, TD is the way to
go if you tow a lot...
Last trip that I remember was about 400 mile round trip, our 360 1/2 ton gasser
pulling 6,000 pound travel trailer and our friends in a ferd 3/4 with TD pulling
an 11,000 5th wheel...
We were cruising at a little over 60 and or rpm was about 2,700.. his was about
1,600 if I remember right... I know it was much lower than ours..
He averaged 13 mpg on the trip, we averaged a little over 8 mpg..
Not enough for us to justify a new truck because we're weekend warriors, but the
difference when you do a lot of towing can be dramatic...
Our "test" was on flat freeway, I won't talk about the difference in speed and
rpm on grades :(
that is pretty accurate. my 360 averaged about 14 around town, and
about 7 towing (heavy load). on a highway trip i got about 15, maybe
16 with a wind.
my ctd gets 15 around town, 21 or 22 on a highway trip and anywhere
from 10 (uphill pull) to 13 (flat pull) towing, but my trailer is
heavier now.....probably around 11k.
my ctd is a 3500 and i really like the feel of that, the way it
drives, a lot better than the 1500 gasser. it is an '03 so it isn't
too noisy. i just like the way the ctd drives a whole lot better than
Is he considering "others" when he's doing the job with a vehicle that uses
twice as much fossil fuel, at a higher level of refining to boot? I,
personally, am proud of my contributions to the environment by using a
vehicle that makes far more efficient use of our precious, dwindling,
holy-crap-we're-gonna-run-out-tomorrow limited supply of long-chained
hydrocarbons. And, given that carbon is the building block of life, I
figure contributing a little here and there into the lower atmosphere is
only promoting that life.
Better that I keep it and use it occasionally, in fact sparingly (re: pretty
much when my diesel is immobile due to one of my various 'projects') rather
than let it fall into the hands of some eco-enemy, who will no doubt
gallavant all over the north-east countryside, spewing it's billionths of
tons of pollutants on the unsuspecting lichen and tree moss indiginous to
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