I Got $1,000.00 free labor and parts on my Dodge 98 Diesel...here's
how! I went to a tire and brake shop asking for tires (235/85) and an
alignment job. They told me to come pick it up cause it was ready. I
paid and drove off.
Got about 100yds from their drive before I noticed there was no
improvement in the alignment. I drove it back and complained. They
told me a lie about how they had done it, but they would throw it back
on the rack and take another look.
Next day I get a phone message saying it needs $800 in new parts and
labor for upper and lower ball joints. I don't get the message till
Sunday, but before that I ride over to the shop hoping it was done and
sitting in the parking lot waiting for me. They were closed and truck
parked in the bay behind a glass door. I take one look and stairing
back at me is this huge a$$ dent in my rear bumper. Now I'm so angry
I'm seeing red.
I call them 8:00am sharp the next day (Monday) and swear that I'm going
to sue them and told them the evidence I had already. This time the
mechanic tells me a third story about how they never performed the
alignment the previous Friday because they got my truck confused with
another Dodge truck that came in for service. So, I told them put on a
new bumper, new upper and lower ball joints and do the alignment or
else I'm not taking delivery of the truck. They happily do so thinking
they were going to bill me for all of it. Thinking they were going to
be rewarded for their fraudulant practices.
I get the call Wednesday saying my truck is ready and with it a big fat
bill saying I owed them very much money. Told them to shove it and
that if I so much as paid one red cent that I was going to turn my case
over to my lawyer who would in turn give it to the public prosecuter
and that me and my attorney wouldn't be out one red cent. Instead they
would have to accumulate litigation expenses for months while I sat
back and laughed my a$$ off. They then politely told me "no charge"
and to come get my truck. Teach those dirt bags to rip of innocent
people! I hate dirt bag mechanics...scum of the earth.
Seems like you may be the scum!
It is very possible that they did mix up trucks and thought yours was done.
As far as the dent in the bumper, shit happens! If I was the shop foreman I
would have replaced the bumper on our dime, but still billed you for the
front end work. If you can in my shop ranting like that I would of held the
truck until I got cash for the repair. No payment, no truck!
There was no doubt they tried to commit fraud. You want me to type
letter for letter the three stories (lies) they told me? When I asked
them for documentation showing they had another Dodge truck in that
previous Friday they said they couldn't come up with it. They lied!
What do you expect of scummy tire and brake shops?
Are you saying you will defraud customers and expect them to pay up?
In that case please give us your business address.
And another thing Greg...ignorence of the law and incompetence is not a
defense in case of fraud where I come from.
If you "mistakenly" kill someone...doesn't mean you get a brow beating
from a police officer and get to return to your life. There are
consequences to your actions...accident or no accident...or did your
mommy not teach you this?
If you paid for work and didn't get it you have a right to be upset
about that. But thats where th line is drawn. If this would have
happened at my shop, I would have made the aligment right and may have
fired a tech if I thought he was trying to pull a scam. I understand
that after awhile jobs can become a blur when your busy. You try not
mess up, but sometimes it happens.
As for the rest, well that where I would part company. I would promptly
shown you the not libable for damage clause on the work order that you
signed. and if you told me to do the rest of the suspension work, you
would have paid for it.
If the damaged occured in the shop, I would have coverd it. lord knows
that I have bought enough tires blown out on lifts over the years. but
I don't pay for damage that didn't happen in my shop. It's also
wouldn't be my fault that your truck needs work done. If the parts are
worn, then the're worn.
As for the threat of a lawyer, thats when I would have stoped and
either got paid or the truck would have went into a lot and stored
until the judge made a decission. I could have kept that so tied up,
you would have been able to historic plates on the truck before you got
You got lucky and had a manager with no back bone or didn't care.
regardless they didn't pay for your work. someone else did. you are no
doubt paying for someone else's fit through higher labor rates and
prouduct costs. You just don't know it.
No line is drawn between incompetance and fraud or else everyone would
go around saying, "My bad, please pardon me...now pay me victim!". You
see where that would eventually lead our society?
Can you please post your business address gunbunn so we can all know?
Or are you another one of those "managers without a backbone" you speak
of? If you defrauded me, also locking up my truck, and I had evidence
of a clear case of fraud...I'd call the police. They in turn would
park their vehicles in your place of business while I showed them
everything I had.
Then we would get evereyone's statement taken by the police officers
including your mechanics who did the work AND no one would have time to
get their story straight with one another. Then the police would
strongly recommend you release my vehicle. If you did not...no sweat!
I'd have the public prosecuter take you to court. I'd not pay one red
cent in litigation expenses while you hire a lawyer to reinstate your
You would incur litigation expenses for several months provided you
didn't do the smart thing and settle out of court. Your lawyer would
beg you to settle out of court, but let's pretend you decide to "be a
man" and not take crap off anyone. Then you would rack up many
thousands of dollars in attorney fees. Then even if you aren't
convicted (which I could care less)...you cannot recover a single penny
lost in litigation expenses.
You ask, "Why can't I sue the public prosecuter to recover litigation
expenses if I'm not convicted?". Because the merits of the case were
too strong in the beginning. Also you have to prove that the
prosecution was malicious and without merit. So, for the sake of
loosing a thousand bucks derived from fraudulant work you now owe
easily $+20k to a scumbag lawyer.
Right you are Dale. The president of the shop was begging me not to
tell anyone and that he was an honest guy who never cheated anyone. I
just turned away and didn't answer him. Also his office manager was
trying to stand there and look dignified while I gave them the "what
for". They were spineless and cowards, but what do you expect of
Gunbrunn wrote: "I could have kept that so tied up,
you would have been able to historic plates on the truck before you got
That's funny...cause I'd have your business license stripped by the
public prosecuter...from where would you get the funds to pay a lawyer
to "keep it tied up"? Funny thing is you would be paying for your own
prosecution and defense. The local and state taxes you pay would go
towards financing the prosecution and the profits you had prior to your
business license being taken away would be used to pay for your
defense. Me...why I'd be driving one of my other vehicles and enjoying
In fantasyland maybe. But not in real life. I have been down this road
before. had cops come, been to court the whole nine yards.
The shop is incorporated, so your not hurting me at home. I pay
insurance just like doctors do for crap like that. So far, I'm batting
1000 and I don't see an end to that any time soon. Everyone has the
Wal-Mart syndrome. Bitch enough and they will give you what ever you
want so you go away approach. I can't afford it and I am willing to bet
you can't keep a lawyer in court as long as my insurance company can.
I had a case a few years ago. A guy brought a truck in to me to have it
fixed. It was his work truck from a roofing company. I told him how
much and he ok'd the work. I had him look at the truck so he could see
what was happening. We were all on the same page. $1700.00 later the
truck was done, I called him and told him to come get the truck and we
were actually under by a couple hundred $.
Three weeks later, he still hadn't shown up, I call again. When he
finally comes in he says that I damaged the bed of the truck. Never
mind the fact that it has roofing nails and shingles in the bed.
He says he never ok'd any work and was only paying for check out time.
I tell him no and show him his signature on a work order with the
estimate on it. Pay up or I keep the truck.
He calls the police and tells them I have stolen the truck. when they
show up I tell whats going on. He insisted that I be arrested. They
tell him that its a civil matter and go away. long story short, the
judge tells him to pay me. He also ordered my legal expense paid. The
truck sat in my back lot for 2 years. The bank showed up to re-pop
about 6 months after the case ended. I told them they could have it for
the amount of the bill owed. they said no thanks. I filed for an
abandoned vehicle title and sold the truck and finally got my money
I am a smaller guy, I can only guess what one of the big places like
Firestone would have done to you if they wanted to. It's nice to talk a
big talk, but like I said, you got lucky. I wouldn't brag.
Here's what I got...just for the record...
Four 265/75 premium tires for $446.00 and that includes tax and
Front wheel alignment for $40.00.
Free $500.00 bumper and that includes labor...did I mention the side
they didn't bang up was already banged up by me?
Free $850.00 (with labor and tax) upper and lower Moog (sweet!) ball
Free $80.00 upgrade in tires due to paying for the cheaper price for
235/85 they had on sale.
I only came out of pocket for $486.00. Not bad for the price! Can
anyone beat this?
I'm sure you hope I am a liar instead of a trend of customers who have
decided not to victimized any longer. Personally I couldn't care if
you believe me or not, but trust me when I say the president and
manager of that joint won't forget my face any time soon.
Just hope I don't have to go back for any warranty work...if I do I
won't take my eyes off my truck under any circumstances.
I think this is all pretty funny too, because I have been there also, as a
I had a customer that owed me a couple thousand dollars for repairs that
were done, and changed on account. He would never pay up, he was going
broke. I was patient because I figured he would need repairs done again, and
he would be back. One day he stopped in dropping off some construction
equipment for repair. I repaired it, then called him up and let him know it
was done, but I needed cold hard cash for the repairs and the past due. He
came in screaming, threatened to call the cops, but he never did get his
equipment back. I filled a mechanics lien on the equipment, and sold it all
90 days later for more than what was owed.
As far as your threats of a law suit for fraud, it would be damned hard to
prove that it was not a simple mistake. After all the shop fixed your truck
in the end.
The only fraud here is when you refused to pay for any of it. I would have
told you to go pack sand!
A legit way to have handled this was for them to pay for damages to your
truck, and you pay for the repairs. The way I see it is you defrauded the
shop by refusing to pay a legit repair bill.
"Randolf' must live in some kind of fantasy world.
These matters are strictly civil as far as the law is concerned,
the police and the public prosecutor are NOT going to get
involved, the police will not order the vehicle returned, the
public prosecutor isn't going to 'strip' anyones business
licence. Why? because it's non of their business. An attorney
would want substantial money up front to retain the case, no,
'you don't pay unless we win' bull shit.
All things considered, I give this troll a 2.7
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