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Thats because you have nothing to brag about in that regard. You have never shown any level of tolerance towards differing beliefs.

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miles
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Better go get your blood pressure checked Tom, he ain't worth dying over.

beekeep

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beekeep

Oh but you do! Seems to me I posted a link awhile back. You must have missed it.

beekeep

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beekeep

LOL, no, I saw that one but it was not specifically created for me.

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TBone

Just for the record. Believing and saying those who do not believe as you do you is wrong is not necessarily intollerance. I can dissagree with your beliefs, and still respect you and tollerate you.

Intollerance is refusing to respect the right of someone else to be wrong. Tollerance does not mean you have to adopt the thinking of those you dissagree with, or compromise your own belief. If I say the bottom light of a traffic signal is green and you say it is red, I'll try to tell you you are mistaken, but as long as you are ready and willing to stop on "your" green, and procede on "your" red, there is no problem and I can allow you to continue going through life believing green is red.

If you continue in your belief that green is red, and drive through "your" green lights, you are intollerant because you are forcing your mistaken beliefs on the rest of the world.

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clare at snyder.on.ca

Could be - lots of people see "clare" and think female.

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clare at snyder.on.ca

Now look who's getting "pissed" and intollerant? Come on guys, can't we just agree to dissagree?

I know the whole world will not agree with my beliefs, and their is no way I'll ever convince even a small percentage that they are wrong and I am right. There will be a small number whom I will care enough about to "pursue" dilligently, to encourage, not force, them to change their beliefs - and I will be open to answer to anyone who asks what I believe and why. In the meantime, I will live my life, as much as it is within my power, in accordance with my (Anabaptist Christian) beliefs. If that causes some to be uncomfortable it is up to them how they respond.

Anabaptism is a radical form of Christianity - non-resistant, non-violent, socially responsible, and concerned for the rights and well-being of others. As such, it is by it's very nature evangelical. Pesecution for their beliefs has been a constant, at one level or another, since the beginning of the anabaptist movement in the 1500s, and there is no reason to believe or expect that this will change anytime in the near term here on earth. If you are interested in knowing more, google Mennonite, anabaptist, Brethren in Christ, or Historic Peace Churches - or ask me.

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clare at snyder.on.ca

Therein lies the crux of the issue, by insisting that "Christian values" be the law of the land you (Christians in general) infringe upon the rights of those who don't believe such nonsense.

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John Kunkel

Bullshit! Atheists and Agnostics could care less what anyones believes because we know it doesn't make any difference in the end. I've been an Agnostic all my life and I married a Catholic girl. To this day I encourage her to go to church every Sunday and pursue her inner happiness. What we do object to is having someone or the government trying to shove their views down our throats. Making a child stand up and thank God for his or her food before school lunch is a good example of what we object to. OTOH, I have no objection to a child reading his or her bible at school or saying grace before they eat their school lunch. I think you will find that we are the most tollerant of all.

I have no problem with Budd's beliefs. I just think that what he has been doing in here is far from a Christian behavior. He is exhibiting a terrorist mindset and doing Chritianity a huge disservce.

beekeep

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beekeep

We have attempted so many times. Budd cannot agree to disagree. No chance for that. To him he's right and we're all wrong and he feels the need to shove his views down our thoats until we bow to his beliefs his way. Not going to happen. It's this radical approach that has the exact opposite effect than desired yet people like this don't learn from their mistakes.

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miles

I agree with your analogy. However, I draw the line when someone suffers from another's beliefs being force upon the person. In your last paragraph, the person has the potential to harm other(s) with his/her belief. Bryan

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Bryan

This whole subjet of Budd and his bullshit has gone way beyond any form of tollerance. It is at the point of being totally bizzare and uncalled for ranting's.

To give any credibility to what he says or to engage him is dialog is a total waste of effort. He make's a troll look good.

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Roy

And there you go, calling Christian beliefs nonsense. THAT is the crux of the issue, as I see it. I might say you are wrong in your beliefs (if any) but I do not say yours are nonsense. My belief (if it is so) that "Christian values" be the basis for the laws of the land is nonsense, and infringes on your rights. However, Your belief that there should be NO values as the basis of the law of the land doesn't encroach on my rights, or the rights af any other person who believes there is right or wrong? Or that there needs to be a basis for laws?

The basic fundamental values ridiculed as "Christian values" are also the core values of MANY other "religions" of the world.The ten commandments, for example, were given to (Moses) ( an Isrealite) the man who was a forfather of not only the Christian, but the Jew and the Muslim as well.

I understand, to you, and many others, all three are "nonsense" and the concept of an all-powerfull God, whatever you want to call Him/it/Her, is heresy. The thought that ANYTHING or ANYONE should have any power over you is unthinkable. So be it. But do not insist that anarchy must reign so your supremacy can not be challenged.

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clare at snyder.on.ca

The rules to live by are the 10 commandments. They existed long before any Christians.

beekeep

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beekeep

And your (possible) belief that you should be allowed to do whatever you think is right at the time does not have that potential??

I'll just pick a few "hot topics" - whether they are part of my belief or yours is immaterial - Sexual promiscuity (hetro or h*mo), free abortion on demand, The right to grow/produce/sell/consume "ilicit" pharmecutetcals, The right to carry dangerous/offensive weapons, the whole issue of divorce/family breakdown -- None of these have potential to do harm??

You don't live in the same world I do if you truly believe that. Have you not heard of the AIDS epedemic? I've lived in Africa, where it is RAMPANT - and do you know why it is??? Africa as a whole is the most promiscous society on earth. Then they believe the way to cure aids is to have sexual relations with a virgin (and the likelihood of finding a virgin of any age over 12 is getting remote in many parts of the continent). So rape in general, and rape of children in particular, is the growing result of those beliefs being "forced" on the society. No harm being done???? Closer to home, just look at the inner cities of just about anywhere in North America. Family values are virtually non-existant - particularly (you can check the facts - I'm not being discriminatory) with the american urban black. The breakdown of the family unit, due to the lack of a moral compass (and this also LEADS to the lack of that moral compass) is not causing harm??? Give your head a shake.

I'm not saying you MUST believe as I do --- I'm just saying do NOT discount "christian values" as irrelevant, nonsense, or whatever. Following a set of rules, whether you agree with them or not, is NOT causing you any harm, is it? What HARM is caused by living to a moral code - whether you happen to agree with it or not??

Also - would you rather live as if a god exists, and in the end find he does not, or live as if he does not, and in the end find that he does - and that he is a very JUST god? No corner given - no forgiveness, no allowances for doing what was right to you??

Not that I believe in THAT kind of God, exactly. I believe in a forgiving God - but forgiveness is on HIS terms - and therin comes the "christian values" and "christian beliefs"

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clare at snyder.on.ca

Careful, I have seen traffic lights where the bottom light was red! It was an old one that only had three bulbs and you saw a yellow before green and red.

beekeep

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beekeep

Now does that make any sense? Be an ax murderer all of your life and then say you believe in God and accept Christ as your savior the last day of your life and be forgiven ans accepted into heaven?

Like Judge Judy says "If it doesn't make sense it probably isn't true."

beekeep

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beekeep

Have a hive of bees open and you will see how much faith they have! I waved to them to come on over and they just got back into their car and left.

beekeep

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beekeep

well............not trying to offend anyone here, but a thought............it makes a lot of sense in a western society that would rather be given salvation than to have to earn it. for a society that has instant everything, i guess you can have instant salvation too.

Reply to
theguy

Suddenly, without warning, clare at snyder.on.ca exclaimed (12-Nov-06

7:48 AM):

See, there's one of my personal annoyances. You're of course entitled to your beliefs, but I strongly disagree with the thought that if something isn't based on a religion, it by definition cannot be moral or right.

I am not religious, however I lead a moral life. I'm not perfect - noone is - but I try my best. I know many so-called religious people that cannot say that. As far as I'm concerned, morality religiousness. If you are a moral person, you shouldn't need religion to tell you how to behave, and if you are a truly amoral person you'll probably do wrong no matter how religious you are.

A government, therefore, does not have to subscribe to a particular religion in order to create moral laws. We're supposedly a Christian nation now, and look what's happening to our government, and our laws!

jmc

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jmc

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