You realize the subject of this thread is "Re: rear end whine on '98 Ram
1500".. The truck you're talking about has absolutely no relation to
your diesel truck, at the axles or any other part of the driveline.
Now I remember why I quit bothering to read here...
Once again, you make a complete ass out of yourself and show your own
ignorance is showing. What does the gear ratio have to do with the OP's
post? He was referring to the failure of a specific rear used in the 1500
series, the DC 9 1/4 which is NOT used in the 2500 or 3500 and has nothing
to do with the ratio used. According to you, I should be able to pull the
diff out of a pinto and install it in a Kennworth because after all, a gear
is a gear, right?
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
Realize something... You're talking about an engine with a ~3200 rpm
redline and peak torque somewhere around 2400. 3400 is about the peak
torque on a stock gas 360, 4000ish is the peak torque on a stock gas
318... both redline somewhere over 5k.
If you want to start a gearing penis war - my dodge has 3.21:1 gears.
It also can't (and never has been able to) climb a reasonably small hill
(the kind of hill I could climb in a 4 cyl nissan in 5th no problem) at
75 mph in 5th.
Was that combo on your Cummins, it'd probably gain speed going up the
hill with the pedal halfway down... Well, until the NV3500 exploded (5,
maybe 10 seconds)
You mean living the lie. No gas 360 will do that and a CTD might come
close to that some time but the fuel costsmore here and has since last
summer (last winter it was 75 cent or more than gas too) and when you
factor in cost of engine, manitainance and fuel, you are loosing not
And how many times do I have to do the math and prove you wrong? Even at
$3.00/gal for gasoline, and $3.75/gal for diesel, you're looking at 18-20MPG
vs 11-13MPG. Take the extremes - 13MPG at $3.00/gal vs. 18MPG at $3.75/gal.
That's $0.231/mile for gas, and $0.208/mile for diesel. Let's say it was an
extra $5,000 for the diesel option. At that rate, it's a little over
200,000 miles to break even... admittedly not that good, yet far from a
However, when diesel prices are a little better (for example, I'm paying
$2.99/gal right now, while my gasoline-burning friends are paying between
$2.89 and $3.21), or $0.166/mile. At that rate, the cost of the engine is
paid for in about 75,000 miles - less if you factor in the higher gasoline
prices ($3.12 for 89 octane, at the place that sells diesel for $2.99 here
The break-even time for a diesel gets even lower when you look at real-world
performance. To get 13MPG from a gas-powered 1-ton truck, you've got to
really baby it. That same babying would get you 20-21MPG on the diesel
engine. The MPG results drop more for a gas-powered pickup when towing a
heavy load than they do for the diesel - again, enhancing the cost benefit
of the diesel engine.
On resale, a diesel-powered truck will get between $2,500 and $3,500 more
than a comparable gas truck. So, you need to factor that into your initial
costs (the fact that you'll make it up on resale). Using a figure of $3,000
in resale, now you've only got to make up $2,000 in up-front costs... so
87,000 miles using your prices, or 30,000 miles using my prices.
As for the myth about higher maintenance costs... the diesel uses twice as
much oil (12qts. vs. 6qts), but the drain intervals are twice as long...
that's a wash. Air filters are a wash. There's a fuel filter that needs
changing every 15,000 miles or so - at a cost of $12. On the other side,
the gas engine needs plugs every 30K ($30), cap/rotor/wires every 50K ($80).
The way I see it, maintenance of a gas engine is the more expensive of the
You want to talk about common repairs? Changing a water pump on a Cummins
takes about 30 minutes - the same job takes almost three times as long on a
gas engine. Book time on changing a timing chain... 4 hours maybe? 0 on
the diesel... everything's gear-driven. How many people with V8's on here
have had to have an intake plenum gasket replaced? Again, not an issue on
the little I-6. Change out a stuck/frozen lifter on a gas engine? A few
hours worth of work... not needed on a diesel (solid lifters and flat
tappets). Granted, you do need to adjust the valve lash every 100K or so...
takes about 30 minutes.
Aside from the financial facts, there's the drivability factor. Owning both
a Cummins and a V10-powered 3500, and hauling with both of them, there's no
way I would ever choose to pull a load with the V10 over the Cummins. In
fact, there's very little I use my V10 for at all these days. The V10 is a
little quicker off the line, but the Cummins eats it for lunch on a rolling
acceleration. My 45-80MPH times, for example, in my V10 are twice that of
Hey - I get it... diesels aren't your thing. That's fine - but don't take
your personal bias and try to apply it to the real-world benefits of burning
oil rather than gasoline. Your argument simply falls apart under even a bit
What value????? You have to be kidding!! With crap you post, you have the
BALLS to question the value of anybody's post?????<GBMFG> That would be like
me and mac demanding value from Denny's attacks on us, of course those
attacks are unjustified.<VBG> It is all humor, and Max's post WAS funny.;
Actually the only fault I can find with Max's post is it took to long to use
the "whine". Hell it has been there for a couple of days.
Gotta help the oldest kid move, so I can't play until later. Be gentle.
Roy (hope ya find some value in this)
Sorry, I know I'm slacking as far as picking up the obvious bits of humor
and commenting, but I have quite a bit to do and the weather is nice. I get
the feeling that even if Tbone had both things happening to him, he'd rather
argue about rear ends.
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
Unjustified my skinny little ass!!! You do remember who the cheapshot
champion is here don't you?? Hint....He's a fricken Patriot fan that likes
to watch cars go in circles and make little puny sized holes in paper. Real
men shoot .30 cal or larger...<BFG>
I didn't realized that hit and git was a priority when punching holes in
paper. I need to readjust my tactics so I don't git a papercut. <BFG> About
the only thing that I can think of that'd be better than the kick of a 8mm
Mauser might be a Garand but I just don't have the pennys for one of them
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