tranny service advice

Yeah, I know... I too tried correcting the lad so he wouldn't labor under his many misconceptions and wouldn't further promulgate misinformation in the NG, but after butting heads a few times I quickly learned that it is a total waste of time. Hopefully, the folks who read his crap will recognize him for the fool that he is...

Mike

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Mike Simmons
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LOL, oh bullshit Miles, you just like to argue and at times, make an ass out of yourself. There are times to cut costs and times not to and if you are going to offer a towing package, then it should be complete or don't bother doing it at all.

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TBone

lol, good think you aren't in marketing. You just failed miserably with your all too well known absurd logic. Packages are designed to appeal to the most number of people at the price they are willing to pay. If there was money to be made, they'd do it. Sorry TBone, the only reason they don't is because the manufactures couldn't recoup the costs of doing so. If it would, you can bet the tow package would be just as you describe.

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miles

Most will. I've been doing the ignore thing for a few months, works for me. Perhaps do the correction and leave it at that? There is no real solution, so if ya don't play, there is no game.

Roy

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Roy

If only everybody would do that. Maybe he can argue with himself for awhile.

Denny

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Denny

So you're saying we should shun him? Maybe because he's a Zombie?

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John Smith

Yep, been working for me for several months now........

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Jerry

Except for the fact that they also wrote the FSM, where they clearly indicate what level of service they expected. But hey, feel free to disregard the facts.

Except that the $600 option includes the hitch and the wiring, as well as the cooler. But again, why include facts?

Oddly enough, when things are used under conditions as they are designed, they work. But why include that, since its factual?

I'd agree on the filter and fluid. Unfortuantely, they seem to have compromised on durability, TC strength, and a number of other issues. But hey, the oil is easy to change.

No magic to it, simply do it correctly and there is no problem. Just because you think it is, or because you ARE sloppy, doesn't mean the rest of us are messy.

As I said, use a good sealer, and there are no worries. Try Permatex anaerobic sealer in the blue tube. It stays soft and fluid (as much as it can be called fluid) unless denied air and clamped tightly. Once its clamped tightly, it dries to the consistancy of a fruit roll up, easily peeling off the metal surfaces.

No, but I DO use a bit of restraint and attention to detail when doing such things.

A newly installed gasket leaks, and you want to blame the designer of the transmission?

Takes me far longer to wash my truck than it does to change the trans filter and fluid. Lets not even get into how long it takes to wax it.

I see despite my vacation you haven't found any real facts and have posted more inane shit on one topic than any one person could possibly have in thier skull. Do you eat this stuff just to regurgitate it?

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Max Dodge

Not bad.. I don't care what his politics are, I just get tired of his endless tirades on any given subject. I hate to admit it but sometimes I have to agree with him but a good percentage (no pun intended) of the times his knowledge of how things work comes from Fantasy Island. And don't dare to tell him he's wrong.

Denny

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Denny

Please Miles. you should be one of the last people in here to talk about absurd logic.

they are willing to

That is correct to a point. While completely valid for appearence packages, it is a load of crap for mechanical enhancment ones. If they better outfitted your truck with a larger trans cooler, a trans temp guage or warning light, and a deep sump finned pan for say $100 dollars more than what you paid, would you have said no? I doubt it.

Yep, and if they can make even more money using undersized parts that should work for many of the customers then that's what they will do as well. Pretty much exactly what they did and are apparently still doing with the DC

9 1/4 rear bearings.

Sure they could but they can make even more using underrated and less expensive components. They brag about the mighty class 5 receiver and brake line harness making the truck sound like it can tow a house but don't bother to fully protect the transmission if you push these components to their fully rated capabilities and count on the ignorance of the customer as to what else needed to be included but wasn't.

Of course it wouldn't. Doing this would cut into profits and that is the ultimate curse in big business.

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TBone

Thanks for the information. I will make my attempt at fluid changes for the diffs, transfer case and tranny weekend after next (along with a drain plug install and band adjustment).

Craig C.

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craig

I stopped by the dealership and bought all of the fluids and parts I would need to service the truck myself. I asked the service manager for torque specs on the tranny pan bolts and the diff bolts. He said: "Aw hell, just snug'em up."

That kind of thinking is the reason I am doing this myself in the first place. :)

A couple of questions:

What do I torque the diff bolts to?

What do I torque the tranny bolts to? (Note, I bought a new gasket and I don't to just "snug'em up". I want to do it right.)

The parts guy said I needed friction modifier in the rear diff but not the front diff. But he personally recommended using it in the front diff. So I bought two bottles. Is it going to harm anything to use friction modifier in the front diff?

Here's what I got, feel free to point out errors:

6 qts Mopar 75-140 synthetic gear lube 9 qts Mopar ATF+4 tranny fluid for tranny and transfer case tranny gasket 2 bottles of friction modifier tranny filter RTF for diffs

Grand total: $235.00.

GD! That gear lube is pricey ... $20 per qt.

Craig C.

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craig

Craig, I'm pretty sure you're in Dallas? Maybe you'd like to come visit our club tomorrow?

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The group meets at Bic's Coffee Shop, at the corner of Keller Springs and Midway Road, in Dallas, Tx. (west side of Addison Airport and north of Beltline Rd). The address is 2245 Midway Road. Meetings are at 9:00 am on the 2nd Saturday of the month.

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BigIronRam

Diff. bolts go to 30ft.lbs.

The book says 125in.lbs. 10 ft.lbs. if your torque wrench will read that low.

The parts guy is mis-informed... the AAM 10.5 and 11.5 rear differentials use a Trac-Rite helical-gear-based LSD, with no clutch packs. Friction modifier won't hurt, but is completely unnecessary, and a waste of money.

Only to your wallet... the same goes for the new tranny pan gasket - the stock one is re-useable, just like the front and rear diff gaskets.

This was a mis-print by Dodge (since corrected). Standard oil is 75W-90 synthetic. The 75W-140 is only recommended if towing heavy and often. See TSB 03-001-04 for reference:

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No, no, no! The diff covers now use reuseable gaskets that are to be applied dry - no RTV (or even RTF, for that matter) at all. Tell the guys in the parts dept. to learn about the new trucks.

That's because of the magical Mopar dust. I spend about $6/qt. at my local parts place. In fact:

6 qts. Mobil 1 75W-90 synthetic - $36 12 qts. Pennzoil ATF+3 - $36 (I know they specify the +4... this is what I use) NAPA (Wix) tranny filter - $12

Grand total, with tax: $89. This is why I never buy parts/supplies from the dealership.

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Tom Lawrence

Thanks for the torque specs. I took your advice and purchased the $28 in. lb. torque wrench from Harbor Freight. So, I'm set for the tranny torqueing.

The information I received from the dealership is very troubling. I gave my vin so that they could make sure to give me correct information ... it seems that didn't pan out quite the way I had hoped.

Did I get enough tranny fluid? 9 qts. 2 for the transfer case and 6 for the tranny? (1 extra just in case)

I'm glad you sent me the TSB on the diff fluid. Now I know to only fill them up 1/4" from the hole. Otherwise I would have filled it until it spilled out.

So, I will return the RTV and friction modifiers. Regarding the gaskets, I am more comfortable not re-using what is already there. So, I will purchase the diff gaskets when I return the other stuff.

I'm so mad, I could just spit.

Craig C.

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craig

Yep, I'm in the Dallas area (McKinney). Thanks for the invite. I couldn't make it today, but I glanced at your web site, perhaps I can make it to the next meeting. It really depends on whether I decide to give my liver a break the night before. :)

I know exactly where Bic's is ... in fact I've spent a great deal of money in that place in past years.

Craig C.

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craig

Yeah, that should be enough.

I have the 11.5" rear axle, and the spec on that is 1/4" below the fill hole, +/-/4". I read that as, "fill it till it leaks out". The caution against fluid foaming is somewhat laughable... the fluid is constantly getting churned up by the ring gear no matter what, and as such, is formulated with anti-foaming agents.

That's up to you, but believe me when I tell you, they're meant to be re-used. Double-lipped, rubber over steel. I've had my diff covers on and off probably a half-dozen times, and have never had any leaks.

Tell the parts guy to put his nose in an '03+ service manual once in a while... these aren't Dana axles anymore (which need both the RTV and the modifier).

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Tom Lawrence

I finished the fluid changes today. Both diffs, tranny and transfer case. Thanks for the advice and specs you sent . This was my first attempt at adjusting the bands. All went well, but it would have been nice if the front band was as easy as the rear band ...

As a side note ... the tranny fluid looked clean. It still had a brilliant red color. The front diff fluid was perfectly clean. The rear diff was pretty nasty. Here's the part that shocked me, the transfer case fluid was really dirty. Since I use 4wd so rarely, I was a bit shocked.

25k, BTW.

Craig C.

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craig

Well, everything is always spinning inside the transfer case, regardless of

2WD or 4WD operation. Since the '03+ trucks have no front axle disconnect, the front driveshaft is always turning, which means the front output shaft and chain are always turning. In fact, the only difference between 2WD and 4WD in the transfer case is that when in 4WD, the sprocket that drives the chain (and therefore the front output shaft) is coupled to the rear output shaft.

Glad to hear everything went well.... you saved yourself a bunch of money doing it yourself.

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Tom Lawrence

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