This car is a gigantic piece of turd. I have spent a fortune on the
garbage front end, and now the shitty plastic intake manifold is
broken. The part alone is $470.00 and there is about 4 hours labor at
about $65/hour = $730.00
$470.00 for a molded piece of garbage plastic? I'm sure the new one
will break eventually.
Wasn't there a class action suit against Ford for plastic intake
manifolds? The car has 135,000 miles on it and I doubt if Ford would
make good at this point.
I will never buy a Ford again. What a toilet.
You got to learn to not hold back. Let it out man! It's ok to cry. And tell
us who you really feel. Don't pussy foot around. It's that new boy friend,
right? He didn't like the car you bought for him, did he? The ungrateful
little bitc. Oh sorry this is none of my business.
It the only part of my T-Bird that has caused a problem. I was lucky,
Ford replaced the manifold on recall (97). You can get a good
aftermarket manifold for 200.00. If you have to pay for labor at least
supply the part yourself.
Fords are freakin awesome. My family has been driven them for 4
generations. I'm the youngest with a 1989 f-250. It has over 242,000 miles
on it. Unlike alot of people my parents taught me the Importance of keeping
my money at home and keeping our economy strong. All of our fords have been
outstanding performers only needing routine maintenance along the way. It's
not the Company's fault you bought a cheap used car. And it's not the
companies fault you don't know how to take care of it. After all is said
and done ITS A CAR and it was never meant to last forever.I'll take a Ford
before JAP CRAP any day.
And this is to the Union Hater. I'm a Loud and Proud member of the UAW and
no matter what you say America's Skilled trademen are still the Best in the
World and there is nothing wrong with Employer/Employee Accountabillity.
Better Benefits, Better Pay, Better Standard of Living. Don't be Jealous.
There is Always strength in Numbers.
Ford is not alone, most manufactures that build engines that have individual
cylinder injectors and coils, use plastic intake manifolds since the only
thing they carry is air. Ford has extended the warranty on the older ones
that were heated. Check with a dealer, WBMA
As the NSDAP posters said, "Kauft Deutsche Ware!", eh? While I agree
with the basic sentiment in your post, it's a considerably gray area
these days as to whether buying a Ford (or any other brand, pick
one...) is really keeping such a big percentage of money in the
domestic economy. The ownership of these companies is not 100%
American. The parts are sourced globally. Subassemblies are put
together all over the world. Even the engineering is being outsourced
to India and China.
Good point! If in fact the engineering and manufacturing is
out-sourced to India and China, then American cars are no longer
I happened to be a mechanical engineer and I have worked in industry
for 34 years. Occassionally I get layed off and wen I look for work I
get lame excuses like : "oh, our engineering is done overseas we have
nothing for you" .
What the hell is happening to this country?
On 12 Jul 2006 13:17:35 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Americans in their greed, are buying too many foreign made products as well
as too many products like Toyotas that are only assemble in the US of mostly
foreign parts, that what is happening.
If we continue down this road the only thing your children and grand
children will need to know is how to say 'welcome to WalMart' or 'Do you
want fries with that?'
As to determining were cars are made, look at the first number of the VIN.
If it is a '1,' it is made in the US. A '4' or '5' means it is only
assembled in the US of mostly imported parts, like the Camry and Tundra
Around 80% of all GM and Ford brand vehicles sold in the US, are made in the
US, and exhibited a '1' Most of the rest are made in Canada, a '2' or
Mexico a '3'
It's an artificial metric with very little real meaning. What do you
define as a "part" and how do you calculate this percentage? The radio
or entertainment center is a "part" in the sense that it's a single
line on the vehicle's bill of materials. The components of that radio
will come from all over - Taiwan, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan,
Europe... Even if the radio is labeled "made in America", the lion's
share of the value-add in its price went straight overseas. Same
applies to other OEMed subassemblies (I just use that one because I
happen to be an electronic engineer).
What about the engineering? If XYZ Auto GmbH in Germany designs it, and
sends the plans to the US for it to be built here by a skeleton staff,
is it an American car?
What about the investors in the company? If I buy a car made in an
American plant from 80% American-sourced parts, but the stock of the
car company is 95% owned by Germans, am I subsidizing Germany or the
What about the finance? Last I checked, GMAC was the only profitmaking
division of GM. So the profit center for an auto company is actually in
financing the car - i.e. they make no money on the sticker price, they
only make money by effectively adding a penalty on top of that sticker
price (auto loan interest). If I buy an American car and finance it
with an Arabic bank, who am I benefiting?
I'm as keen as the next guy - maybe more so - to spend my dollars where
they are going to benefit the working people of the country where I
live and work. But it is not so simple. If I buy pineapples from
Hawaii, I'm probably buying American. But if I buy avocadoes from
California, maybe I'm subsidizing illegal immigrant seasonal workers. I
don't know. Cars are a thousand times more complicated. Certainly,
simply looking at a VIN is not going to give you an accurate picture of
That is why the US Commerce Department specifies the totality of what is
American in the vehicle sold in the US, including OR&DO engineering, design,
materials, assembly of parts etc when it defines which first number can be
used on a vehicle built in the US. What you are referring to is the FTC
parts content definitions of North American parts, used to figure what is
listed on the parts label. All Camrys carry a parts label that says 80%
American parts, even on those made in Japan with a Japanese engines tranny
which obviously do not have a single American part.
For example the Lincoln LT truck, that is basically a Ford F150, gets a '4'
rather than the '1' like the Ford built in the same Michigan assembly plant
because its interior and some other parts are made in Canada. Thus dropping
it to 68% American and less than the 70% required to get a '1.' A '5,'
like on the Tundra is less than 40% American
The Crown Vic gets a '2' made in Canada even though 80% of it material and
parts content is the US
As too ownership. teh tax laws in America, Europe and Japan differ greatly.
American and European
Corporations pay taxes on profits made on the cars they sell in the US to
the US treasury. Japanese Corporations do not pay corporate taxes in the US
because of taxes paid in Japan American and European AND Japanese
Corporations pay taxes on profits made on the cars they sell in Europe the
treasuries in the Europe countries. That is one reason the Japanese are not
a successful in Europe there the tax field is level
Well, management is certainly in step with the economic theories of the
Bush administration. How does Ford reward the CEO of a company that
just lost 1 billion?:
Bill Ford's compensation falls 40 percent after 2005 losses
Ford proxy statement lists chairman's total at $13.3 million
Dee-Ann Durbin / AP Auto Writer
DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. Chairman and CEO Bill Ford received total
compensation of $13.3 million in 2005, or 40 percent less than the
previous year after the automaker's North American division lost more
than $1 billion, according to a proxy statement filed Friday with
Bill Ford said last May that he would take no salary, bonus or other
awards until the automaker's automotive operations return to
profitability. But he did receive nearly $5 million in restricted stock
equivalents under an incentive plan established before he made that
commitment. Ford plans to donate that amount to charity, the company said.
They get 4 hours to change that thing? Jeez, I wonder if the mechanics
are in on some kind of manifold conspiracy.....Oh ,and it seems like the
manifold was more like $250 last time I ordered one. If you have done
any repairs yourself, I bet you can handle the job yourself.
It's good to be right eh? However, in *this* case you need to to back
to the original poster to quote correctly. Funny how that turns out
that way so often. IME, those that are quick to "LOL" at others expense
usually step in their own shit before long.
"No doubt there's a flat rate paid to the mechanics and some of them can
do the job in no time flat."
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