That may be his opinion but it a wrong opinion. If he had never seen one of
the three year old Focus courier cars, with nearly 400K on the clock you
would realize his error. Courier fleets buy a lot more Focus' than they buy
Corolla or Civics LOL
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At least not the average Vibe and Matrix owners who've taken part in
CR's annual reliability surveys from 2003-2006 (5Ύst, 1=worst):
Vibe: 5 5 5 5
Matrix: 4 5 5 5
The reliability ratings for individual components are identical for 49
out of 64 ratings, and where they're different, 10 show the Vibe being
more reliable in some areas, 5 show it being less reliable, and on a
weighted basis it's 11 for the Vibe, 5 for the Matrix.
IOW if these surveys show bias, it's against the Toyota Matrix or in
favor of the Pontiac Vibe.
I see American cars all
On 3 Apr 2007 00:06:18 -0700, "larry moe 'n curly"
My annual buyers guide shows half a gold star for the Vibe and a full
gold star for the Matrix. Identical cars !!!!!! The only reasonable
explanation is that Toyota owners fudge their reports to make their
cars look better and/or that Pontiac owner fudge to make them look
worse. It would certainly fit the pattern shown over and over again
on newsgroup discussions. Visit a Honda specific group and all you
see are discussions of blown head gaskets yet ask a Honda owner if
they ever have trouble and not a single one has ever had to have
anything on their car fixed.
Yes, all I have are the experience's from hundreds of our fleet
vehicles, almost all domestic, that are exceptionally trouble free.
They go in for service every 6000 miles for oil changes, 30,000 for
transmission and brakes. The worst thing that's gone wrong on my
"personal" fleet cars in the past decade has been that a couple of the
electric windows stopped working. Not a single one of these domestics
has left me on the side of the road in 30 years of use.
CR reports on what their subscribers tell them. If you think Toyota owners
are buffing up their reports to make their decisions look good, then tell me
why Ford owners don't do the same.
The Focus also doesn't get the same ratings as the Corolla on Edmunds.
They've had more years of practice building the things; they should be doing
a better job than Toyota. But they don't. Ford apparently is willing to
risk unpleasant owner experiences. Twenty years ago, when the Japanese cars
had not made a name for themselves, this was probably not going to hurt them
much. Look where it's gotten them today.
If Toyota wasn't delivering satisfaction, they wouldn't be selling the way
I am willing to consider purchasing a domestic car. At the relative prices,
who wouldn't? But I check their reliability rankings before I go buy a car
and, so far, it's not equal. I'll take my chances with Toy-Onda, thank you.
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There's the bias again. If Toyota screws up you'll give them a pass.
But if Ford built just as good a car you bitch it should have been
even better, damn it. You people just look for things to criticize
and complain about on a domestic car and will excuse every fault on an
import. If a tie rod on a ford is defect and there is a recall it's
just more evidence of poor quality. When the same thing happens on a
Toyota you'll claim it shows how good they are at taking care of their
customers!!! I think Toyota is currently recalling around a million
vehicles for this kind of safety defect but you don't see nearly the
kind of screaming headlines about it as you would if Ford was doing
Ford apparently is willing to
Point out to me where I said that.
I have said that until Toyota screws up, I'll continue to buy them. If
Toyota treats me well, I'll return the favor.
If I end up with problems, I'll have to reconsider. If Ford hadn't screwed
me over, I might be saying the same thing about Ford. But the car was
riddled with problems that they couldn't find or didn't care about and I
have *many* friends with Bad Ford Experiences. I'd be a fool to stick with
Ford after that and I am not a fool.
My GM experiences were nothing to write home about, either. I take pretty
good care of my cars and a dead camshaft at 80K miles does not encourage me
to buy another GM.
I bought my first Toyota, new, because it was the car I wanted at the price
I was willing to pay. After 4 years of perfect satisfaction, I bought
another, taking a chance on a clean used one. Great car. So I bought
another used Toyota. Great car. So I bought another used Toyota. Great
100K miles on 4 cars that average 7 years old with an average of 85K miles
or so on each and no problems. You do whatever you want with your money but
I'm buying more Toyotas.
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No, they don't. For each year from 2001-2006, their overall
reliability rating for the Focus is average, for the Corolla it's well
OTOH the Focus sedan received a higher overall test score, 77 points,
placing it at the upper range of CR's "very good" bracket, just a
point behind their top rated small car, the Honda Civic, while the
Corolla, at 68 points, was in the middle of that bracket (both
Its' not new and, there's nothing wrong with the Focus. Consumer Reports
consistently likes it, owners like it, the local currier service owns a
bunch and replaces them with more Focii. Of course you can choose not to
When I owed my fleet service business we serviced thousands of courier cars
in several states. They used mostly the Focus, Civic, Corolla, Neon, VWs,
Cavaliers, and the Korean cars. They are run round the clock seven days a
week. 100K a year was not uncommon for three of four years. Like all
fleets, courier companies look at the total cost of ownership from original
cost to insurance, maintenance, repair and parts cost as well as trade or
The courier fleet favorites were the Koran cars, then the Focus and other
domestics, then the Japs, then the VWs.. There was little difference in
maintenance and repair cost among them but purchase prices and the cost and
availability of parts were the difference
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