you can have any locksmith make a door key
but don't try use that in the ignition.
find a local locksmith that makes transponder keys
around here (Boise) it costs about $60 to have a transponder key made
No, but most folks just do this. Make some cheap copies then tape your one
key under the steering column surround. As long as it is close to the
ignition your copy keys will run the car. With only one key and no 'red'
key you are pretty stuffed otherwise.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:58:32 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
A dealer is supposed to know better about how the keys work and give
you the two required keys. They can't claim ignorance and make it
stick, but you might have to make the General Manager or Owner waste
an afternoon in Small Claims Court and a few minutes getting slapped
around by the Judge to get that message across. ;-P
I strongly suggest that you bite the bullet and have a locksmith
make you a few copies of the transponder key, then stick one of those
'master' keys in a bank safe-deposit box or a home safe along with the
vehicle's Title Slip. Somewhere it won't get lost. Because if you
lose that last key before getting a backup made, you're in a Heap O'
No rules against calling around to local locksmiths and checking
prices. There are several ways to lower the price a little: You
drive there (don't make them come to you), you can take the steering
column covers or the door panels apart in advance and put them back
together when done (if needed) so the locksmith just has to do his
thing and be done. Do it in the middle of the week when things are
slow. Bring a Six-Pack of the locksmith's favorite beverage as a
And if you tape the key inside the column you just made it
blindingly simple to steal the car. They either punch the ignition
lock and it starts (because you've disabled the system), or they
figure out what you did and retrieve the key with a simple
(If the car is stolen and recovered, and their claims adjuster can't
find any signs of forced entry, your insurance company is going to be
Be very lucky it's a simple transponder key and not one of the more
elaborate electronic key security systems that costs you between
$1,000 - $2,000 (and a few days delay with the car out of service) to
get rekeyed and the security computer reprogrammed.
--<< Bruce >>--
Who can say? I bought my Taurus when it was one year old from a Ford dealer as
a program car. It came with one key. Once I realized I was missing a second
key, I went back to the dealership and accosted the owner right there in his
showroom. There was no argument... he just immediately instructed one of his
minions to make a second key available to me at no charge.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 19:15:59 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:>Ashton Crusher wrote:
Not a law anywhere AFAIK, just good business practices.
Even if the minions chose to ignore it, the Owner knew that you'd be
in deep trouble with only one transponder key if it came up missing.
And he'd rather fix it now and make you happy than have you in there
on a rampage later, after you had to get it towed in and they charge a
small fortune to tear the car apart enough to figure out the
transponder coding, get the key code off a lock cylinder, and make you
Because the three or four people in the showroom ready to buy new
cars are going to hear the commotion when you hit the ceiling, get
spooked, and bolt. And that will cost him a whole lot more than
making you a second key.
--<< Bruce >>--
All true. I was nice about it until I knew whether or not he was going to be
nice about it. And he was, so I stayed that way.
It's been my experience that ranting and raving on initial contact has
unfortunate unintended consequences for the ranter. It motivates everybody to
try to fuck him. Better to be nice.
Except that the thieves know which vehicles have the transponder
systems and unless the owner did something stupid like taping
the key on the OUTSIDE of the column where it's clearly visible,
the thieves aren't going to even bother attempting to steal it. Instead
they will just go to the vehicle next to it that doesen't have a
transponder and steal that one.
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