My statement is applicable to the subject of two cars who share the
same drivetrain, but one being a luxury brand. Now luxury and power is
different. There is what you call a performance luxury sedan. And
there are luxury vehicles which are limousines which is only for the
passengers luxury and not the drivers.
Ok, isn't that what I meant, or are we not on the same boat?. The ES
and and the V6 Camry share the same power train, the difference will
be on the luxury items on the Lexus. Its true, "luxury" vehicles have
that "get up and go" that you refer to. What would you consider enough
power to be? Is a 0-60 mph of 6 or 7 secs is fine and anything higher
than that is not enough power, thus less luxurious? Or anything faster
than a Corolla is good enough for you. Comparing two luxury cars,
would the slower car mean that it would be less luxurious than the
Eye of the beholder...
If you can't step on the pedal and ditch some punk in a cheap shitbox Camry
who is screwing with you on the open road, you are hardly driving around in
a luxury car.
I don't have to change my perception, regardless what Toyota and whoever
else wants, I don' consider a Lexus a luxury car. A shitbox Camry with more
options does not a luxury car make.
The German Opel GT coupe was the "poor man's Corvette" and The Lexus is
still the "poor man's luxury car".
The MB E350 have the same 0-60 of the Camry of 6.5 secs. MB is 268Hp
Camry is 268Hp. Top speed, I have no idea. No matter what open road,
we all abide by the speed limit in the US. The C350 can go from 0-60
in 6.1 secs. Is the C class more luxurious than the E-Class? Oh and
the IS350 can do better at 5.3 secs. Is the MB the rich man's luxury
car? Then why is it the MB slower. These are numbers and not "eye of
the beholder", as you said quicker is more luxurious all thing being
If that is what you feel about the Lexus, its fine with me. Luxury
cars have the getup and go, But faster is not necessarily more
The thread sure heats up quick ;)
Well, for years Detroit wasn't building cars and the workers lived
like CEOs. Now all three are under new management and the workers are
heading back to work. I think these top level Toyota managers see
what's coming. So they dumped Toyota now.
No, they need the guy that was able to convince people to buy ugly boxes.
Anybody that could convince people to pay thousands extra for thinly
disguised Camrys by calling them a Lexus and convince people to buy xBs
should have no problem selling Fusions and Tauri.
Actually the sales of all Scion models, and particularly the xB, dropped
significantly this year (at least through August). Maybe they are back up
with the new improved models. However, "odd" looking vehicles tend to have a
limited market potential. When the market is sated, sales plunge. I don't
know if everyone who wanted a quirky boxy car have bought one yet, but
certainly the potential number of new buyers has dropped. Just look at what
happened with the PT Cruiser. Initially it sold like crazy, then sales
dropped way down. It sells, but not at a super high rate.
Ford may now take the Toyota marketing ploy.
Create a new brand name.
Market it as an expensive executive brand that stands for luxury and
quality, but is lower priced than the real quality German vehicles.
Then just build the same old standard stuff in the same old factorys.
Lexus are not the poormans Mercedes, they are the semi-rich mans Camry!!!!!
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