No compression on one cylinder

Oct 17, 2004 33 Replies

Okay. Time to reveal the actual problem. Everyone had pretty much the same solution but we all missed it...and me with more than 50 years experience in these matters, even taught the stuff at one time. Here's what happened, and the coincidence which sort of screwed up "normal" solutions. The valve seat in #7 came loose, turned slightly and lodged itself in a tilted position behind the exhaust valve. This permitted the valve to operate in a normal manner but never seated. For some reason the seat remained in a stable tilted position even with the valve opening and closing. The dimension between the valve seat and the tilted valve remained almost identical so it was impossible to determine by valve train movement that a problem existed in that area. The head gasket was in perfect condition between #6 and #7 cyls. However, the exhaust valve in #6 had a slight burn area and was "leaking" enough to cause a pretty dramatic drop in psi. This coincidence is what threw me (and everyone else) off. Had that occurred in any other cylinder (other than #8) there would have been no connection made. Didn't discover this until the engine was pulled and head removed. Everything else in #7 was fine with no damage...rings, top of piston, etc. One of the things that was very apparent was the lack of significant carbon build up as a result of unleaded fuel. And this engine burns no oil. In the past mechanics were able to tell exactly where rings were leaking because of the absence of lead/carbon deposits on the head of the piston. Many thanks to all who contributed their thoughts. Another one for the "knowledge warehouse".

"Tyrone" wrote in message news:G3Kcd.5853$ snipped-for-privacy@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

well, s*it

wrong again

did excess heat cause this, maybe ?

It is not necessary that oil or water leak anywhere in order for a head gasket to be blown. I have seen this condition result in cutting a slot between cylinders in the block and/or the head in heavily loaded engines which required replacment of the block and/or head to repair. It is also not necessary that the cylinders have equally low compression for this condition to exist. If you bored the engine much when it was built, much of the surface area between the cylinders was removed making correct torque more essential. The fact that it was a sudden loss of compression under heavy towing conditions is not terribly surprising. If it were my engine, I would be either pulling the heads or checking into a replacement engine. With the FE engine, it is likely that the head will need to be surfaced. It is best to mill both heads evenly to maintain relatively even compression in the engine. At some point, it becomes necessary to also mill the intake manifold to maintain proper sealing around the intake ports. A good auto machine shop shoult be able to handle that chore easily.

I would normally expect excessive heat to cause this but the temp gauge did not go above the normal operating range. However, if the sending unit was bad (possible) that could help explain the resulting problem. The machine shop called me a few minutes ago and informed me the head was cracked (very small) between the valve seats which might explain the released seat. Anyway, I have to shell out $475 for a used replacement head, all new valves and other work associated with a head job. Thanks to everyone for your contributions. All very interesting.

compression,

guys...what

I guess anything is possible but I've never heard of that one before. However, I did see a friend lose a bet on whether or not a spark plug gap would increase when tightened in the cylinder. Your guess?

compression,

A spark plug will stretch just like an overtorqued bolt will, changing the gap.

H

After 35+ years of wrenchin', i thought i had heard every BULLSHIT story in the book. I guess not.

s

I think I'd like to see this 1st hand.. Anyone got a head off an engine they'd be willing to experiment with? Set the gap on a plug, then install it using proper torque and measure it again. Then overtorque it and measure once more.

I don't see how the gap could change..

I'm surprised that after 35+ years of wrenchin', you've never seen a stretched bolt. Maybe you were just never a good enough wrench to notice. H

Or just maybe he's good enough not to stretch bolts that weren't meant to be stretched......... In my opinion anyone who over torques spark plugs enough to significantly change the gap should have there tools taken away Bob

It's not as difficult to understand as one might think. Had I not witnessed it first hand many years ago I would not have believed just how much the gap did increase. Think of it in practical terms. The threaded portion of the spark plug is simply a hollow pipe with an "L" shapped electrode at the very bottom. It is much easier to stretch the threads of a hollow pipe than it is a solid bolt. The center electrode is held rigid by the upper portion of the spark plug seated against the plug opening. Once torque is applied to the upper portion of the plug the threads attempt to track further into the female threads of the opening. This creates a stretching of the "pipe" portion of the plug and efficiently and assuredly increases the gap in the plug. The increase is, although slight, much greater than you might expect. Find a loose head and see for yourself. A torque rating of 30 to 35 ft lbs will do the job. Our subsequent trials showed that a plug with fewest threads produced the greatest increase.

Don't bet any serious money on this one Steve, cause you'll lose. See the post below.

I think education is a better alternative, at least for those willing to learn. H

You'll never catch engine damaging heat build up found during high load intermittent use (pulling a grade) by relying on the coolant temp gauge, takes too long for the coolant to increase in temp and when it does damage could already be done, or worse, you won't see any temp warning at all (like in this case). Install a cyl head temp gauge, I wouldn't fly in any plane that did not have one.

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