Plus, the '57/'58 Fury's are probably some of the best looking cars ever
made. Sure as hell a lot more attractive than a 57/58 Ford or Chevy,
Pontiac, Olds, etc.. In my opinion anyway. Christine from the Stephen
King novel/film was a '57 or '58 Fury. The design concepts for these
cars was the 'forward look'. It'll be interesting to see if the car
still looks brand new. Hopefully, they'll start it up and drive it a
That was why I bought one, it was one outstanding looking, gutsy, car. A
year later it was a rusting rattle trap so I dumped it. Unfortunately I
bought a '58 Chevy 2 DR HT and it too was a rust bucket. ;)
That, too, is a matter of opinion.
I think the newer cars are better looking.
But them again, I thought the Pontiac Aztec is way cool, and I own a Ford
More importantly, the new cars do their job way better than the older ones,
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:57:33 +0000, Jeff got out the hammer and chisel and
etched in the wall:
Just wait until Microsoft gets involved in cars...
..then we'll need to pay for a new car every two years, which will have
the same functionality as the last one but won't be able to use the same
You will also have to do a complete shutdown, and restart every two hours!
The monthly trip to the dealers to fix a dozen faults that should have been
designed out in the first place, would be a pain too!
I don't know about that, really... I personally am rather
disappointed in the *lack* of meaningful improvements in vehicles over
the last few decades. We've added lots of gadgets, but some of the
older vehicles are still more fun to drive and just as functional.
Sadly, we'll probably never again see some of the light, nimble, cheap
sporty cars that were popular from the 60s through the 80s because of
Federally-mandated safety equipment. The closest thing we have now
would be a Mini Cooper S or maybe a Mazda Miata; both still weigh in
at around 2500 lbs, compare and contrast with an original VW Scirocco,
1700-2000 lbs. depending on year, or the Triumph TR-6 to which the
Miata was the spiritual successor, 2200 lbs. with a big straight six
engine as opposed to the Miata's little four-cylinder. Or if you want
to get real silly, the original Mini at its porkiest never got much
above 1600 lbs...
Hell, the Shelby 289 Cobra weighed about 2100-2200 lbs. Today it'd
probably be two tons with all the mandated equipment.
This is progress?
Let's see: better handling, air bags (and I don't mean my wife), CD players
and iPod connections, air conditioning, better transmissions (in my opinion,
that means smoother-shifting standards, others would say that CVT is a great
inprovement), electric motors, sun roofs, anti-lock brakes, intermittant
wipers, doors that open by themselves in vans, and run-flat tires. And the
engines and cars are more reliable.
I think the VW GTi is one and it is still out there.
On the other hand, you can get a VW td and or hybrid and get like 40+ mpg.
And in the tdi, the glow plugs start the engine in less 30 sec.
Considering all the improvements, including better brakes, the improved
ability to survive crashes, anti-lock brakes and decreased polution, I would
IMHO the Contour was a very underrated car, and I'm still shaking my
head that Ford let it die while continuing on with that POS Taurus.
mostly due to tires.
extraneous stuff I could do without
available since the '50s
Hmm, my "old" T-10 with a Hurst shifter shifts as well as any new car
more extraneous stuff I could do without
I disagree! My old cars have been quite reliable; I'm sure that a new
car might have incrementally longer times between repairs but would
undoubtedly be significantly more expensive to fix and/or jobs that
I'd do myself on an older car would have to be jobbed out to a
A perfect example of what I'm talking about. The original GTI was a
light, nimble, economical "hot hatch" that was a blast to drive. The
*new* GTI weighs more than some midsized cars of the 60's. Or to put
it another way, an original GTI probably weighs about 2/3 what the new
GTI does. I've owned A1, A2, and A4 chassis GTI's, of all of them I
think I'd rather have the A1 back than either of the others. The A4
comes a close second, but I wouldn't consider it a sporty car at all -
more like a small luxury car that happened to be fast.
I'd *love* to have one of those TDI engines in an older VW body! I
bet it'd be a hoot.
better brakes are good, but I really could care less about the
"improved ability to survive crashes" - first of all, it's irrelevant
to my life, and secondly, cars have been pretty good in that respect
for decades. The latest round of "improvements" only incrementally
improves the survivability at the cost of dramatically increased
complexity and weight. Anti-lock brakes? IMHO they are a gimmick;
some systems are very good, some are crap, in all cases they are
completely unused by motorists 99% of the time, if the driver is any
good. Decreased pollution, I'm all in favor of that, but that could
have been accomplished without tacking on all the other stuff I'm
Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm a retro-grouch. So be it :)
Same reason when I bou ght my new car I did not consider
I was a little interested in the 500, but found out it was essentially an
abortion of what Ford did with Volvo.
I liked Volvos okay, but Ford could screw up anything.
Wife and I have finally made up our minds. We will buy an Avalon, and hope
GM comes back from the ashes.
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