your send key must be stuck
your nostradumbass predictions are not even close, I think you are
delucional,some of us have worked for gm and do know the working of the auto
industry and what it means to a countrys productivity. Just because some of
us support GM and you dont. dosent make us wrong or zealots
as you say. I think you are just a troll and dont have anything
constructive to post; You are so negative and Paranoid that you keep
predicting the future when most of us cant predict what will happen tommrow.
Just for your information i now own 2 GM cars, and my family members own 8.
how many do you own of any at least 80 percent american content. I am or
nerver was a Union member a Union is a neccessary thing in some areas just
a few of them got out of control.
Talking to Canuck is like talking to a brick wall...Only, the wall has a
higher IQ. He is a paranoid, hypocritical moron, who's wife left him for a
Union member (hence his bitterness towards the Union's). He now spends all
of his time blaming GM and Union's for his pathetic life.
Nope, unreliable Microsoft mail (aka Outlook Express).
We will see. Auto in North America is now a gross consumer of wealth and
screwing everyone over by corporate welfare. In time, it will lower all of
our standard of living. With governments, banks and corrupt corporations
now sucking hard on producers wallets, the economy has only to go further
into a depression to make my point. Just over 600,000 jobs lost last month
in Canada and the USA....
Bet in October September is going to look very bad, especially for Canada
which is now catching up to the USA.
Bottom line is Obama isn't going to get results from debt-corruption spend
any more than Iceland. Obama's corporate bailouts and negligent spending
out of control will go down as the biggest debt increase over time the world
has ever seen.
NA, bankrupt. Quebec is re-issuing a failed bond offering. Ontarion and BC
recently did. 3 Canadian cash starved provinces that can't borrow money.
LOL. California IOUs....bankrupt.
But Obama and Ottawa say things are good. Just like sheep that can't see
I did a quick google, and found that GM and Toyota both had had recalls for
window problems, GM had recalled 1.54 MILLION cars for possible fires
in the 3800 series engine, etc etc.
No where did was I able to verify the broad claims you are making.
You must remember that recalls are not always done when they needed to be
done. GM didnt recall those turd 3800 series II engines, probably because
it was not deemed to be a safety issue. Turd issues may be conveniently
under the carpet.
Toyota could be as bad...I just dont know. We now have two, and have two
remaining GM products. With only a couple of years on the first Toyota,
has not been a single glitch. The other one is too new to evaluate.
For which they did a shitty job. They recalled the 3800 series II
supercharged engines in the Grand Prix's and Regal's, but not the
Bonneville's or LaSabres. My 1996 supercharged Bonneville burnt to the
ground last year, due to an engine fire.
Here is the ECM failure causing transmission destruction:
Here is the brake issue:
Here, Toyota recalls 1.4 MILLION vehicles:
No offence HLS, but you must've done a very bad google search.
You mean like most Toyota recalls? Tell me, why is it when GM makes a
recall, it's front-page news, blasted all over the internet, but when Toyota
does it, barley anyone knows, or complains?
And I honestly wish you luck with your two Toyota's.
No offence taken. I freely admit I did not spend all afternoon trying to
the recalls of each manufacturer.
It was strange to me that, in one case, a chassis that Toyota and GM share
had several hundred thousand recalls by Toyota while GM recalled only
about a hundred thousand.
You and I have been over this many many times. In cases like this the
mathematical truth can sometimes take a backseat to perception.
GM has its big chance to stay alive. The American people's tax money
was used to buy them out of oblivion. Now it is time for them to swim,
or sink, on their own. A damn electric Cadillac looks more like dead
weight than it looks like flotation gear.
I'd have to assume this is because the chassis is used at two different
plants. Perhaps one plant received the defective parts, while the other did
And you know I agree with that. What I don't agree with is when people (not
you specifically) use either 30 year old facts, or recent "myths" to "prove"
that GM (or Ford, Chrysler, or even Toyota) is a bad company. You can't
compare that Chevy, Ford, or Toyota you had in 1960 to what is on the market
today, and if you do, you are foolish. Heck, you can't even compare a
vehicle from the 90's to a vehicle built today. As for the "myths", you
know very well I will admit when GM makes a mistake (the 3800 gaskets, and
fire issue), but I will also defend them when someone makes up a lie to make
them look bad. I will also allow my eyes to see that Toyota has made
mistakes. Does Toyota make some very good vehicles? Yes they most
certainly do. Do they make some shit vehicles? That they do too, just like
all other manufactures, including GM, Ford, and Chrysler.
I certainly wouldn't buy one, but if you haven't noticed, there are some
people in this world with more money then brains. Plus, the Caddy's have
always had a special place in certain people's hearts, and I doubt that will
Or, one marketer recalled at a lower trigger point, and the other set the
a different level. I do not know the answer.
You and I both know that GM window motors have been an industry joke
for years. But they do not get recalled normally, because these are NOT
safety issues usually. Simple early failures do not constitute ground for
I agree. Let's get off that. My personal bile started rising 30 years ago
a series of really defective GM products. Getting past that, they have the
technology to get past this sort of henhouse behavior. I hope that their
management - and below the bottom line, this IS a management problem -
will read the tea leaves and demand a quality program that works, designs
that hold up, parts that are of good to excellent quality, and a dedication
the customer that they failed to show in the past.
If they can do this, and it is really a simple job to do, I will cheer for
If GM is so damned good, why did they go bankrupt screwing all sorts of
people for about $177 billion total? Much of that was other peoples pension
GM is a dog, corrupt POS that needs to be put down.
as for verifying the claims 80 Knight has done that for you.
I have posted to this group a few times and like others
my posting have been from personal experience or news sources, I only post
articles as articles are not 100 per cent verfied either. But unlike others
i dont post what i think will
happen in the future.
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