In my opinion the media coverage of the Lexus that ran away in
California.got the ball got rolling. I am sure there are multiple groups
that had an interest in promoting the story (trial lawyers, labor unions,
certain politicians, etc.). I feel Congress got involved becasue it was an
oppurtunity to divert attention from the more pressing problems that
Congress has bungled.
I am not sure what you mean when you ask if NHTSA cooked their own numbers.
There were a lot of complaints over the last few year related to the Toyota
vehicle speed control category. I think the correct question is, why did
NHTSA ignore the warning from State Farm back in 2007? Even if the speed
control complaints are valid (and I think most are), Toyotas are not
involved in an unusally high number of fatal crashes. The more I look into
this, the more I realize how safe all cars are. For instance, in 2008 there
were around 240 million passenger vehicles registered in the US. 50,430 of
these were involved in fatal crashes (being involved in a fatal crash means
someone died in the accident, possibly in the vehicle, in another vehicle,
or a pedestrian). That means around 0.02% of all vehicles were invovled in
a crash. I don't know how many Toyotas were on the road in 2008, but only
3118 of the vehicles invovled in crahses in 2008 were Toyotas. This is 6.2%
(of 50,430), which I am guessing was close to (or less than) the percetange
of Toyotas included in the 240 million total number of vehicles.
I know you are not a fan of Obama, but I think it is highly unlikely he has
any direct invovlement in the Toyota debacle. And remember the head of NHTSA
is a Republican. Obama has far more important issues he should be
addressing. On the list of US problems, runaway Toyotas is not in the top
The recent Toyota problems aside, I have been convinced that NHTSA has
been corrupt for several years. I base this on two things: (1) If
you've ever tried to register a complaint on their site, it is clear
that they want to make you give up trying to do so before you even get
started - at least that's the way it was the two times I attempted to do
so - maybe it's been improved/streamlined? (or perhaps that is just
inherent in it being a government entity), and (2) From hanging out on
several car forums of a particular type of car for years and knowing of
(and actually personally experiencing) what are clearly safety issues on
some of the vehicles without any recalls or even TSB's being issued on
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
Corrupt? or incompetent? not sure.
Their handing of automotive lighting issues sure leaves a lot to be
desired, that's for damn sure. Why can't they just allow E-codes like
the rest of the world and be done with it? And high beam and turn
signal DRLs are just so ludicrous that whoever proposed them should have
been told to STFU and GTFO instead of being taken seriously. And why
are directional repeaters still not mandatory like they are in ECE
countries? And red rear directionals? Come on, they've been mandated
to be amber in every other civilized country since the 60's.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
Agreed. As their own numbers don't show their current direction. So
either this is a Toyota head hunt or NHTSA has been cooking the numbers.
Either way, the NHSA needs an overhaul and some firings.
I find it credible.
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
You are something else. You go around attacking anyone who doesn't
stick to the pro-Toyota line. Clearly you are deeply immersed in the
Toyota tradition - cover-up, miss-direct, shift blame - do whatever it
takes to distract anyone from questioning Toyota perfection.
Come clean; tell us about the real "jim bean." What is your
motivation? Is it love of Toyota, or hatred of the US manufacturers?
You went from someone who rarely, if ever, posted in the Toyota
newsgroup to a top 5 poster in a month. You consistently attack
anyone who doesn't defend Toyota. You try to smear Toyota's domestic
competitors. I used to think you were just a committed Toyota fan, but
after reading some of the "information" put out directly by Toyota, it
seems you are just following Toyota corporate policy - point the
finger at everyone else in hopes of distracting the public.
It seems to me you have no interest in knowing the truth, at least
when it comes to Toyota. The truth might interfere with you defense of
Looking through your posts, I see the following trends:
- protect Toyota's image
- disparage domestic manufacturers and suppliers
- repeat statistics of dubious origin to make it appear if Toyota is
no worse than other manufacturers
- imply that the concerns about Toyota are politically motivated
- ignore the pro-Toyota political pressure
- personally attack anyone who doesn't fall into line with your
defense of Toyota
I have posted in the Toyota news group for a long time. I originally
came into the group because my SO and her family have Toyotas and I
want to keep abreast of possible concerns related to Toyotas and to
tap the wisdom of group members. To the strongly pro-Toyota
participants I know I come across as anti-Toyota. This is not the
case. My Mother, my Sisters, my SO, etc all have Toyotas. I like some
things about them, I dislike other things. I have not personally owned
a Toyota in 20 years, although I have come close on several occasions
in last few years, but went in another direction each time (a Frontier
instead of a Tacoma, an F150 instead of a Tundra, a Mazda3 instead of
a Corolla). I don't think Toyota builds bad vehicles. In fact, I think
they build very good vehicles. But, so do most other manufacturers. I
do not like the way Toyota treats its Customers. I am not talking
about individual dealers; some of those are very good. I am talking
about Toyota the corporation. I believe they have a long history of
refusing to stand behind their products. Maybe it is the Japanese
culture at work, but I don't think so. I don't see the same sort of
behavior from Honda, or even Nissan. Look back at recent history and
tell me that Toyota is Customer friendly - sludge damaged engines, bad
ball joints, rusting truck frames, Prius brakes, now these UA
problems. Every time it takes treats by NHTSA or public outrage to get
Toyota to even acknowledge the possibility of a problem, and even then
they attempt to shift blame to suppliers or the actual Toyota owners.
At one point you claimed you liked Hondas - have you ever seen Honda
behave in that manner?
You may like to think you are calling a spade a spade, but I think
your tag line motto should be "servo Toyota per ullus opes."
Until a month ago, I never even saw a post from you in the Toyota
newsgroup. Toyota comes under attack and "jim beans" shows up
attacking anyone who dares to not defend Toyota. You spew lies, make
persoanl attacks, disparage domestic suppliers, etc. You have a clear
agenda to distract attention from the current Toyota concerns.
Check with the othe regulars, I've been posting in the Toyota
newsgroup for years.
Who seems more likely to be the paid shill? A regular contributor, or
the "mysterious jim bean" who has a clear one track agenda?
inhonesto ostendo sum ipsum
And after watching KTLA news in LA over the dish with the Prius doing over
90mph last night there is no way in hell I would get behind any newer
Toyota!! It took a cop car to get in front of him and slow down!! That guy,
and I would be too, was scared out of his mind! I wish he would do a
commercial for "Toyota Quality and Safety".
Now some Fords are known to have faulty throttle position sensors and can
scare you a little if you haven't seen your rpms out of no where.
I am no doubt wrong as they are the experts here. But my opinion is they are
working on recalls without the correct solution. Some faults with the
computer, tps and the pedal. They started with floor mats-hahaha!!
Actually, the Prius slowed down by itself. The cop car was moved into
position after the car was stopped. The news media made it sound as if
the cop car pulled in front of the Prius while it was still moving and
helped stop it, but this is not what the cop actually said.
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