I'm in midwest Canada. You can see many old models Lasabre, Century,
Regal... on street. I ever had a Century and loved it. But wonder why never
seen a new one, Lacrosse, Allure etc... In stead so many new Chevs like
Buick cost more $$$$ thats why you see more Chevy's. If your not seeing
many Buicks in you area people must not like them and sales are very
Here in Chicago I see the new Lucerne's every now and then. LaCrosse's
are rare too. Considering Chicago used to be a big sales leader for
Buick, now with only two cars in the showroom to choose from the shopers
are buying their cars elsewhere.
Of course when you drop names of cars that have been around since 1959's
& 1977 people tend to get uspset and look elsewhere for a car.
One poster in here who had problems with his Buick LeSabre just bought a
05 Park Avenue 49,899
91 Bonneville 307,349
We have a good Buick dealer in our small town. After a year since
introduction, I'm finally starting to see some Lacrosse and a few Lucernes
around town and on my way to work. Even a few used ones are popping up on
his lot now that they are starting to come in from rental places. He had
three Lucernes from the Pro Gof Tour that had ~800 miles and a big discount.
I'm seeing more of the '07 Carmrys though. They sure seem to be moving.
Even a few Hyundai Sontats, even one showed up in my driveway last night, a
Silver Blue Limited.
"Tommy Bastogne" wrote in
Chevys are cheaper than Buicks thus more Chevys running around than
Buicks/Caddies. Starting back when cars really became commonplace,
1940's/50's, the blue collar everyday workingman/bloke would have a
Chevy or possibly Pontiac, the manager at the plant or small store
owners would drive an Olds, and the town doctor or lawyer or successful
contractor would drive the Buick or Caddy.
Assessing a person's wealth based on the car they drive is a part of
Americana along with: Apple pie, women in their checkered aprons cooking
a hot meal for their family (back when women still cooked). Kids
playing sandlot baseball on the corner (before this insidious video game
craze took over). Chevys are still the most owned car amongst my blue
collar pals, and Buicks/Caddies are owned by the wealthier types.
"Tommy Bastogne" wrote in message
Not everyone loves the Japanese cars.
I tried to buy a good American car, but could not find anything I really
liked that was a good value. I've owned mostly GM cars for the past 45
years. I set out to buy another Buick, but ended up with a Hyundai Sonata.
Some of my money went to Seoul instead of Detroit. Meantime, the Buick goes
back in the shop AGAIN on Monday.They really have to stop pissing off
"jcr" wrote in message
Some of her complaint is legitimate, but reading the manual would have soled
most of them. Personally, I like the auto headlights. I have them on my new
Hyundai also and thing they are great. In the five years of owning my
Buick, I've probably overridden them maybe once or twice.
Cry a river. So a cranky woman decided she wants to be empowered and found
something as trivial as this stuff to complain about. Many folks don't mind
those features and a good number actually like them. Not another pissed off
potential customer - another Toyota customer running off with diareah of the
mouth. You don't like a car - then don't buy it. Believe it or not, not
everybody is enamored with Toyota engineering.
What's wrong with "the lights being on when they don't need to be"?
Daytime running lamps make a car a lot easier to see by other cars. It's a
proven safety feature, and most cars have the feature now. In fact, my Kia
Sedona doesn't have daytime running lamps, but I wish it did. It does have
lights that come on automatically when the sun starts going down. She
sounds like a cranky, pissed off, never satisfied person. Get her back
into her boring, personality-less transportation appliance Camry.
Trivial things are what usually annoy the average person, if you stop
think about it. Like Edwin's post indicated, the manual (if rental cars
even include them) would have provided instructions on how to adjust
the radio auto speed adjustment sensitivity (or disable it completely),
which I tried to explain. But her response is "why should I have to use
energy to figure out how to make the car work as one would expect it to
work." She has an interesting point. Making a car that is an annoyance
to use to any segment of the population has to negatively impact sales
to some degree.
I do think that GM should default to "normal" or "industry common"
functions and let the people that want the bells and whistles activate
those on their own. Reason being is that the people that want "normal"
or "expected" are the ones that can't figure out (or can't be bothered
by their very nature to figure them out) how to disable them. While the
people that want the car to wipe their rear-end each time they fart a
juicy one are more inclined to know how to program the auto-butt-wiper
Yeah - but you know what they say - you can't please all of the people all
of the time. It's true too. Someone like her sounds like she's just cranky
and nothing out of her norm is going to go over with her. I mean Geeze -
how hard is it to figure out speed sensing radios these days? And to
complain as she did about using energy... well, I guess little things are
just too tough for her. You get into a different car and you expect it to
be exactly like your Toyota? That's more than a little bit absurd.
Yeah but why? GM owners don't dislike a lot of these features. That's why
there are more than one brand of car to choose from. You pick from the list
of things you like. There are no industry norms when it comes to
ammenities. Everyone does different things. GM sure isn't taking any sales
hits because of DRL's or speed sensing radios. Now quality issues on the
Just make sure you select the warm water wash with the butt wiper feature.
The cold water is only for those drives when the wife is wearing a T-shirt.
Otherwise - let those that don't want those kinds of options buy a different
car. Why should GM or any manufacturer default to the lowest common
denominator? That still wouldn't satisfy those who just want to complain
What is wrong (or right) isn't really the point. Personal opinions
aside, the point I think came through fairly clearly in her expression
is that, absent a law that requires them to be illuminated, the customer
should have the choice either way. It doesn't make sense for a
manufacturer to keep a customer from making a choice that the customer
has the legal right to make. Unless, of course, GM purposefully decided
to "write-off" that particular customer segment (which doesn't make a
lick of business sense to me since it could be 5%-10% or more of the
buying public and they NEED the sales!)
BTW: Last I checked (a couple of years back when I was in the market for
a car), the feature is optional per customer preference for other
manufacturers except for GM and VW.
"jcr" wrote in message
At one time, the government was going to try to mandate DRL's for all cars.
Just as it is mandatory in most (if not all) states to have headlights on
when wipers are used. How many people comply? My Buick has them come on
with the wipers. I like that.
It would help with wiper/light compliance, for sure.
Yea, the NHTSA has been sitting on the DRL ruling for 10 or more years
now. My guess is that they're having trouble conclusively proving the
*overall* benefit. Reports on file seem to have conflicting conclusions
or inconsistent benefit conclusions. And, they've not yet explained the
cause of motor cycle and pedestrian accident rates going up seemingly
coincident with the increasing numbers of cars with DRLs. It will
probably take another 10 years to understand who wins and who looses
with DRL usage. Clearly it isn't a "all win" situation, seems to me.
Someone pays a price for another's benefit. Understanding that dynamic
is a tough one.
Usually not. Considering that most people never read the one that came
with the car they own, why would they read one on their rental they only
have for a day to a week? That said, the Taurus rental I had a few years
back did have the manual in the glove box with the manual still in the
shrink wrap. I didn't open it as the control in the Taurus were very
easy to understand.
The last 3 cars I've rented (2 Kias and a Taurus, all from Hertz) did
have the Owner's Manual in the glove box. It was handy on the Kia,
since the audio system in the Armante is a bit strange to operate.