I am in the same boat. The new FIT is much more car with a much better
fuel consumption than the current FIT. The current FIT has the same
consumption as the CIVIC. It also costs almost the same as CIVIC. In
fact here in Ontario some car salesmen are claiming that it is a bad
buy. Also, it would appear that HONDA screwed up the gearing for the
current FIT as some articles indicate. I have also read that the 2nd
gen FIT has a 1.3L and a 1.5L engine. The 1.3L engine will not be
destined for US or Canada, just the 1.5L. The consumption (Honda
claims) for 1.3 is 1L of gas for 25Km, while the 1.5L FIT is 20Km per
1 liter of gas. This is still much better than the current generation
FIT. It is worth waiting for as gas in 1 year's time will be $1.5 per
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:24:49 -0800 (PST), " email@example.com"
As an owner of the current Fit ('07 US Spec), I think the other
posters here are on to something. The Fit is really what the Civic
was 2 generations ago. The current Civic has been upsized to be what
an Accord was a few years ago and the Accord is quite the mid-size now
bordering on to what full size was a few years ago. I don't know if
this trend is because consumers demanded more for their money or if US
consumers have gotten too fat to fit in the cars. Only half kidding
Anyway, either model isn't bad (the 08 or the 07) and if you go
towards the Civic, you won't be disapointed either, really. I think
it comes down to what you like, can afford, and feel comfortable in.
That's because models tend to move upmarket and be replaced by new ones as
the years go by.
Toyota does this too. The last Tercel of 1999 was -- almost to the inch --
the same size as the 1975 Corolla. The Corolla has grown substantially
I haven't checked, but I'd bet the new Civic is about the same size as the
I'll betcha it's bigger.
Anyway, my yardstick as to "growth," was the '55 Thunderbird. A nimble
(sort of) two seater that later bacame a four seater and eventually a
full sized goliath. Remember the Falcon? It grew and grew eventually
reing replaced by a smaller car with a "horse" name. No, not the Mustang!
Some of us just strive for a simple car to get us to where we need to go
without breaking the bank. Others must have the latest 'n greatest which
evidently is not always the best...
That was very much on purpose. McNamara figured he had more sales in a
4-seater. He was right, actually.
Interesting that the Thunderbird eventually came to share the same
chassis as those gargantuan Lincoln Mark cars. Like the one Detective
Frank Cannon drove...
The Maverick! I saw one of those the other week. It was sitting by the
road with a For Sale sign in the window. I always liked their styling.
They were a bit small on the inside for their outside size, but you
could get them with a 6 or a V8, which wasn't true for any of the Jap
cars back then...
Mine is seventeen years old, has no options and power nothing but the
steering. Just fine by me. I didn't even want the power steering, but
the Integra came with one regardless.
Yes, I think GM's contender was the Vega which could have been a pretty
good vehicle had they sleeved the engines instead of having simple
aluminum bores. I know several people that sleeved 'em and after they
were real good cars.
Then, there was the Chevette that got great mileage but rode like a
lumber wagon and was a nightmare to work on...
Yep, and you can chuckle all the way to the bank regarding the money you
got to spend on other things. And you have to be commended for keeping
it up in the rust/snow belt. I would never dream of it.
Maybe if your body finally rusts beyond repair, you can import a Texas
beater and revitalize it for another seventeen years...
On 11/28/2007 10:35 AM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:
The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a
cow) was Ford's response to Chevy's Vega, which they boldly thought was
the worst POS they could make. Ford showed them otherwise. Chevy
responded with the Chevette, correctly surmising that even Ford couldn't
make a crappier car that anyone at all would buy.
I bet people would like me more if my sense of self-deprecating humor
didn't suck so much.
The three worst cars I've ever driven were a Vega, a Chevette, and a
Pontiac Sunturd, er, Sunbird. The latter gem was the car I learned to
drive in after an initial preference for motorcycles during my formative
years. It featured Pontiac's infamous, asthmatic "Iron Duke" four
coupled to a seriously agricultural 4-speed manual. After driving it
halfway across Texas one particularly hot summer, without the benefit of
a working air conditioner and with a cracked exhaust manifold that made
any conversation quieter than a shout practically impossible, the AMC
Gremlin that temporarily replaced it felt like a Bentley.
In the mid 1980's, my '76 Honda Civic rusted out from under me and I
wanted another winter beater. I found a '76 Gremlin with the 258 cid
(2bbl) for $300 and drove it nearly trouble free for four years until I
took an overseas job.
It was practical, dependable but not so economical as the best I could
do was about 18 mpg. Even though it was an automatic, it didn't wait for
That was back when I lived in salty RI and drove my Studebakers during
the summer. Now that I'm in TX, rust (thankfully) is no longer an issue
but gas mileage is, hence the gen2 Honda Civics for most tasks.
It's an uphill struggle. And ultimately a losing one. The 'Teg will have a
finite life. I just don't know when will be "enough". Might be another ten
years, maybe less.
There is no rust at all where you can easily see (including in all the
usual Honda trouble spots), so the car still looks good.
The body's fine, but I'm now developing a tranny whine. I believe it to be
the bearings. The noise is only between 45 and 50mph, on acceleration in
any gear. It's only really noticeable once the tranny oil warms up, like
when I come off the highway.
However, I think 296,000 miles is a pretty good lifespan for a
transmission, don't you? It'll be over 300,000 when I replace it in the
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