that's odd. all the indian engineer's i've worked with have had
excellent english. thick accents when speaking, but excellent written
english. it's the language of all higher education in india from what i
I dunno. They range all over the place. At one end of the spectrum, I have
an indian coworker who can handle any idiom I care to use. At the other end
of the spectrum is a coworker who can't assemble a complex sentence to
save her life. The latter obviously didn't use 'british english' much if at
all while growing up and must have used the regional languages primarily.
She says that she went to grad school in london. I figure that it gave her
about 2 years exposure to english which sounds about right.
And don't get me going about their seventy syllable names. Their
name tags on the cubicles have to be done in an 8 point font.
Break-in?? You must be kidding me...
We were talking about 10k and 50k comparison, not the first thousand miles
Sorry, but I was still unable to find a document comparing mpg of 10k and 50k
Can you be so kind (and wise) and give me the link you've refered to?
I am not as good with google as you, and I was only able to find this page:
New vehicles have not yet had an opportunity for the engine to break in
(rings to seat, etc.). A typical engine will take three to five thousand
miles to break in, and during this time period a gradual increase in fuel
economy can be expected." I cannot see there anything about 50k miles car
being better on mileage than a 10k car...
New vehicles will not obtain their optimal fuel economy until the engine has
broken in. This may take 3-5 thousand miles."
Nothing anywhere about the effects of engine break-in
after the first 10k miles and between 10k-50k period.
Show me how you, my Master, use the google, please!
But if you pay a 1000 dollars more to save this $20 a month
it sounds silly. $20 a month is $240 a year, so spending
$1000 more (or maybe 5000 more in case of prius and other
hybrids) would not equalize after so many years that the
old car would not be worth this price difference...
Do you see my point?
Some people are so focused on milleage per gallon that
they forget the bigger picture and they overpay for
a car with a higher mileage much more than they save
on gas through the life of the car.
The goal is the same and has never moved: to get the car which
will cost the least amount of money it is ever possible. High
expected mpg is only one of many parts to the main equation.
Some people forget about it and are so hypnotized with mpg
that they are ready to pay more money for a car with not much
higher mpg, so not justify the price increase. At some point
they pay more for the car than they are able to save on gas
money and in the process they sacrifice car performance and
the joy of driving a nice car.
The same goes with improving the gas mileage on the car we own.
If we can bump the mileage +5mpg but have to spend $500 to do it,
is is worth it? I am afraid, not.
There was a guy here or some other newsgroup moding his honda
or nissan to get the extreme gas mileage - he has removed from
his car EVERYTHING beside his driver sit, including spare wheel.
Don't you think this is crazy? :-) One flat tire and towing
would kill all his gas savings...
So it is good to keep in touch with the bigger picture to
not get lost in the blind higher gas mileage chase... :-)
More than what?
I was not talking about you but in general about car choosing process.
You look at the one car (civic 91 with 27 mpg city) and another
(civic 93 with 29 mpg city) and you know that maximum you can save
in IDEAL, LABOLATORY conditions is 2mpg. How much these savings are
worth to you it depends on how much miles you make per year...
And this mileage applies to new cars - cars with high mileage will
require a lot of work to reach that original, factory levels.
So for used cars I do not think comparison of factory values makes
any sense at all in terms of comarison. You can probably find out
there 91 civic which burns much less fuel than a random 93 civic.
How much fuel will your burn? You will see, soon...
I wish you good luck!
Nonsense. My 91 Civic's mileage actually improved with age
and is better than the EPA's stated values. I watch it like
a hawk for the last five years, and it has not changed. You
are not the least bit up to date on what old cars can do
How can you explain old car with leaky cylinders and
not perfect compression, dirty/worn out fuel injectors
etc, etc, using up less fuel than when they were new?
How exactly do you measure your gas mileage and what
is the mathematical error/uncertainity of this measurement?
Engine rings do not fail nearly as soon as they used to,
that's all. Without googling, I'd say technology has
improved additives to gas and engine oil, along with engine
materials, so engines last longer. You can google and find
more on why engines last longer these days. Even American
manufacturers' cars are lasting longer.
I have not read of fuel injector problems here, though
people have replaced them without any change in performance.
Tegger did a report a while back on what he saw when he
replaced his fuel injectors. Google the archives.
Seems like the only time we read here of a Honda with poor
compression is when the car has been driven hard. It's rare
to hear of someone's engine giving out here, unless it's due
to a failed timing belt.
Trip odometer set to zero at every fillup. Fill to one
click. Divide miles by gallons. Average over many fillups,
or a few.
MPG often falls off for many people simply due to poor basic
maintenance habits like not changing out the plug wires,
plugs, distributor cap, PCV valve, air filter, etc. Also,
failing to use OEM for these parts (air filter excepted) can
be detrimental to MPG, IMO.
I am not saying they last shorter, I am just saying
they consume little more than when they were new
and all was clean, matching perfectly and in order.
I simply cannot compute the argument that the car
with 185 thousand miles on the odometer can consume
less fuel than when it had - let's say - 10 thousand and
everything else was brand new and in perfect adjustment.
This is very unreliable method and you have many
sources of error factored to your calculations!
I see I am unable to convince you... that is ok, too :-)
Sure, and car after 200 thousand miles consumes less fuel
than the same car when it was brand new... of course :-)
Here we go with name calling game... How mature is it? :-)
You simply do not realize where are the sources of BIG errors
in your method. For example, starting at your shut-off nozzle,
it will shut-off in very random place near the top of the tank.
It will depend on the brand of the dispenser, velocity of the
fuel in the hose (how strong is the submersible on the site)
even the same nozzles will differ in the shut-off reaction time.
Shut off time will even depend on how deep you put nozzle in...
It will also depend on the particular fuel was delivered that
day on the site you refuel... If the gasoline happens to be
specially foamy that day, it may actuate the release mechanism
in the nozzle prematurely, with the result that you end up with
less than a full tank of gas. If you stop fueling in the middle
and let the foam settle, then fuel to the top it will be different.
Mixing city and highway milleage is also a huge factor in error
estimation. Ambient air temperature, weather condition (rain),
holiday period and less cars on the road, less stops&go.
Averaging can only help a little.
Well, good luck with your car! :-)
It does if you want to extract city mpg from highway mpg.
If you take too much data into the average you will blurr
the difference between city/highway mileage and for some
cars it makes a huge difference.
You should use data of the same kind when compiling average.
If you mix city mileage and highway mileage you will not get
either calculation improved by using average. You will get pretty
useless mixture/average of mileage changing in time with
no chanse of spoting the cause for increase/decrease.
Are you trying to compensate some of your own education problems
with childish coments like this one?
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