On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:23:55 -0400, L Alpert wrote:
What I was referring to was the blanket-statement that "the money stays
here in the US" when buying one of these cars. Perhaps *some* of it does,
but not all. In fact that was never the point of the original discussion
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So do you think there is any foreigner anywhere who owns a share and
collects a dividend from GM or Ford? If so, not all of the money
stays here in the US.
If you want more of the money to stay in the US, buy HMC and TM.
This statement made it part of the discussion:
"Oh, but buying a Toyota or Honda is just fine, eh? Did you not know
that those are Japanese-owned car companies? You think the money
stays here in this country when you buy a Toyota or a Honda?"
The fact remains that these companies employ American workers and pay
American taxes. While the actual net profit may go to foreign countries,
the this is less than the actual cost of manufacturing the vehicle, so
"some" of the money is inaccurate, as in reality, most of the money stays
I'm sure that specific models may be made in specific factories, as this
would be more cost effective for inventory and assembly.
Toyota and GM have a joint venture in Fremont, CA (NUMMI), where they
manufacture the Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Corolla and Tacoma (all use the same
frame). Pretty interesting to see all three of these go down the same
assembly line together......
Funny, I went through the exact same drill last year when replacing my '00
I didn't like the new Avalon (so much plastic and shiny stuff on them looked
like they were designed by a 20-something engineer on drugs), same reaction
to the Solara convertible, just couldn't get comfortable in the Camry seats,
liked the Acura TL but damned if I'll put premium gas in one of those beasts
and the price was higher than I wanted to spend on my ride--- so I ended up
getting an Accord V6 EX-L--- by default really. Kinda settled for it when I
But after driving it for several months, I've really come to like and
appreciate this car. It handles great ("corners like it's on rails"), has
plenty of power, is fun to drive, the shape of the seats exactly match the
shape of my ass, didn't care about the sunroof and XM radio-- but have come
to really enjoy them, has had zero assembly defects--- and I just got back
from a 650 mile trip and got 33.4 MPG!!
We have both an Avalon and an Accord in our family. I am surprised at
how much more I like the Accord. It has more room. The ride and
"driveability" are much better. And it is less expensive. If you
haven't yet, drive your Avalon to the Honda dealer and then test drive
an Accord. I think you will like Accord.
The only thing I really don't like about our Accord and TSX is that both
have high levels of road noise on certain road surfaces. The
Toyota/Lexus products are much better in this regard.
A recent road trip included several hours at the end of a long day on
some highways in West Texas which have very coarse pavement. The noise
So depending on your driving style this might be an issue.
It never bothers me on trips of under two hours, but when you get into a
6-12 hour marathon day on the road like I do several times a year then
road noise is very tiring.
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