Re: NEW Vehilcles Can run on Gasoline and Water!

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16 years ago

Sun, Mar 16, 2008 11:35 PM

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> >> >> > >> >> Bob Douglas wrote: > >> >> > There is a new invention out there. Thanks to new Technology you can > >> >> > improve your milage by up to 50%. > > >> >> > And Yes your vehicle CAN drive on gas and water. I know it sounds crazy, > >> >> > but it is true. > > >> >> > Have a look at what the website below has to say. Many people are using > >> >> > this system already. > > >> >> > Oil Companies have known this proven Technology for a long time > >> >> > ... Just to let you know.. > > >> >> > Don't you want to save on fuel and meantime help the environment too ? > > >> >> >
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> >> >> Ever heard of water injection? > >> >I think you mean anti-detonation injection. It was used on big > >> >aircraft engines for years. When the engine was run at full power like > >> >at takeoff, a mixture of alcohol and water was sprayed into the fuel > >> >air mixture to prevent detonation. When the power was reduced to a > >> >more cruse setting the injection was turned off. The engine did not > >> >run on water. I saw a web site claiming 50% better mileage by > >> >hydrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen. It takes power to brake > >> >to oxygen and hydrogen bonds. It is at least as much power as you then > >> >get from burning it to again make water. No process is 100% efficient. > > >> No, but this one is 100% fraudulent. > > >> >I have to laugh at the new super efficient cars. Unless you are using > >> >a renewable energy source You are wasting energy. Every time you > >> >change state, you take a loss. Oil to heat, heat to steam, steam to > >> >turbine to generator through transmission lines to make hydrogen or > >> >charge a battery. > > >> The super efficient cars on the road today are hybrids which don't use > >> any current from the grid. They are demonstrably more efficient than > >> conventional cars. As for the plug-in models which may or may not > >> appear in the future, they could easily be more efficient than an ICE > >> car which has its own set of inefficiencies. > > >> > Its like global warming. It's not science it is a > >> >religion or a cult. > > >> Why is it that the scientists all think it is a science and the right > >> wing media thinks it's a cult? Is this like evolution? Non-geocentric > >> universe? > > >Electric cars are not practical. Hybrid electric and plug-in hybrid > >cars are novelties. I fail to see how they will become mainstream, > >even the day that petroleum runs out. > > Mainstream? Like a Ford Explorer was mainstream when it was the best > selling SUV? Did you hear that Prius outsold Explorer last year? > > When gas is threatening to hit $4, how is something that dramatically > reduces fuel consumption a novelty? >

Note that the batteries in hybrid cars are charged by the good old gasoline-powered engines and it takes a loss in the transformation of engery. Hybrid technology is only about regenerative braking, which saves just a little energy, at the expense of extra components. And net gain in energy? Zero!!

You can clearly see that Prius used all the tricks in the book for fuel efficiency, it has a small engine, very high compression ratio, a minimal gross weight, and a streamline body. That's how it gets good mpg. The electric components are not doing any good. They are there as an excuse for making smaller and more efficient internal combustion engines, which is very un-American... haha!!!

Plug-in hybrid is inconvenient, but it's honest. Hybrid is not just a novelty, i would say it's a scam. Manufacturers are leading comsumers into thinking that somehow the energy recovered from regenerative braking can do any significant work. Strip the Prius off all of its hybrid nonsense and it would do even better!

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16 years ago

Tue, Mar 18, 2008 1:13 AM

Hybrid vehicles are the most fuel efficient models in every category where they are available. The improvement in fuel efficiency with the best systems is very significant. Your criticism is that the batteries don't suck energy out of the air. Well, no shit. Hybrids save fuel. As far as I can tell, that is just as good as sucking energy out of the air.

Bullshit.

First of all, the smaller engine is possible because the electric motor provides additional power to compensate. That is one of the ways that the hybrid system saves fuel. The smaller engine operates at more efficient power levels more of the time and it also saves some weight.

Second: regenerative braking is meaningless unless you have a battery to store the recovered energy and a motor to use it later. It is analogous to saying you don't need that piston engine because all the energy comes from gasoline.

Third: If you want to minimize gross weight, the place to start would be that very heavy and supposedly worthless battery and motor. At a curb weight of 2932 pounds, the Prius looks pretty heavy if you don't consider the hybrid hardware. Minimizing weight hardly compensates for carrying dead weight, so the hybrid system must be earning its keep.

Fourth: Streamline body? Have you noticed that Prius gets better mileage in the city than on the highway?

Fifth: If all of the above plus a compression ratio (13.0:1) were all it took to get 40+ mpg, there would be all kinds of 40+ mpg cars out there. But the only ones are hybrids. Even the Yaris can't touch the Prius. That alone tell you something is going on here.

wt. Eng. Comp Aero mpg Prius 2932 1.5L 13.0 : 1 ? 48/45 Yaris 2326 1.5L 10.5 : 1 ? 29/37

Civic Hy 2877 1.3 10.8 Identical 40/45 Civic 2690 1.8 10.5 Identical 25/36

Seems like those electrical components are doing something.

You misspelled un-Arabian.